Closet Wilson (Part 2)

I came across something the other day that made me think of Closet Wilson.
Acts 17:11: “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”
Imagine that! The Bereans examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Closet Wilson told me that he was going to read my book like a Berean. For that I commend Closet Wilson. In fact, have you ever met anyone that told you not to be like the Bereans? Of course, Closet Wilson would actually have to read my arguments for full preterism in the second half of my book to be able to do that. But according to Closet Wilson, I haven’t given him a good reason that the creeds could possibly be wrong.
Apparently, it’s a good idea to examine the Scriptures to see if what Paul said was true, but it’s not a good idea to examine the Scriptures to see if what the creeds and tradition say is true. After all, the teaching of Paul, an apostle, should be tested by the Scriptures to see if what he was teaching was true, but the creeds, well, they must be true because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Then again, Closet Wilson tells me that the creeds were not inspired by the Holy Spirit, but Closet Wilson has to be given a good reason to examine the Scriptures to see if what the creeds say is true. So examining the Scriptures every day, to see if what an inspired apostle said was true, is noble in character, but do not dare examine the Scriptures to see if what the uninspired creeds or tradition say is true because that amounts to heresy.
According to Closet Wilson, if we have to examine the Scriptures about the creeds all the time, then we will never have any foundation to build on. Test Paul, that’s fine, but not the creeds.
Read what happened when the Bereans examined the Scriptures concerning Paul’s teaching in Acts 17:12:
“Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.”
When will Closet Wilson embrace full preterism? When he acts like a Berean and examines the Scriptures to see if what the creeds and history say is true.

What About The Creeds And Church History?

What About the Creeds and Church History?

by Don K. Preston

In the ongoing controversy about Covenant Eschatology, one of the main arguments being proposed by the opponents of true preterism is that of church history and the church creeds. The church simply could not have been wrong for so long on such a critical issue . No church creed espouses true preterism. Thus, preterism is false. This argument seems to carry a good bit of weight with those of the Reformed school especially, and, as we shall see, this is a strange irony to be sure.

I intend in this brief article to simply set forth a few “bullet points” as food for thought in regard to the issue of the creeds. For a fuller, excellent discussion from the Reformed perspective, see House Divided: A Reformed Response to When Shall These Things Be, available from this website.

The Reformation and The Creeds

To say the very least, those who appeal to the historical creeds as proof that true preterism is false are involved in an irony of major proportions. In fact, they are making the precise argument that the Roman Catholic church offered against Martin Luther! Read the words of the Roman Emperor Charles V: “For it is certain that a single brother is in error if he stands against the opinion of the whole of Christendom, as otherwise Christendom would have erred for a thousand years or more.” (Cited in Beyond Creation Science, Timothy Martin and Jeffrey Vaughn, www.truthinliving.org).

Likewise, Yohann Eck, arguing against Luther said to him: “Your plea to be heard from Scripture is the one always made by heretics! How can you of so many famous men and claim that you know more than they all? You have no right to call into question the mostassume that you are the only one to understand the sense of Scripture? Would you put your judgment above that holy orthodox faith, instituted by Christ the perfect lawgiver, proclaimed throughout the world by the apostles, sealed by the red blood of the martyrs, confirmed by the sacred councils, defined by the Church in which all our fathers believed until death and gave to us as an inheritance, and which now we are forbidden by [Mother Church] and [her Creeds] to debate lest there be no end of debate.”(Found at http://en.believethesign.com/index.php?title=Martin_Luther).

That sounds amazingly close to, “If preterism is true we have been wrong all these years! This doctrine violates the creeds!” It sounds like, “The creeds set the boundaries of orthodoxy.” It sounds like, “Preterism is false because it is not in the creeds.”

The question is therefore, if the enemies of true preterism are going to appeal to the creeds and church history to invalidate Covenant Eschatology, why was the argument of Emperor Charles and Yohann Eck, and the pope not valid? Let me frame their argument like this: Continue reading “What About The Creeds And Church History?”