The Antioch Declaration: A Comprehensive Refutation — Ecclesiastical Betrayal, Judeo-Christian Syncretism, Genetic Myth, Talmudic Hostility, Protected Narratives, and the Denial of the Finished Work of Christ in AD 70

At the heart of the current debate over Christian Nationalism lies a sharp divide over the theological and geopolitical status of modern Israel and the Talmud. During COVID, questioning the vaccines earned labels like “anti-vaxxer” and “anti-science.” Since October 7th, a growing number of Christians examining the Talmud’s teachings and Jewish supremacist claims are being branded “antisemites” or conspiracy theorists. The Antioch Declaration, signed by Doug Wilson, James White, Andrew Sandlin, Jeff Durbin, and others, deploys the same social-engineering tactic.

Wilson and his circle seek to define Christian Nationalism in a way that still accommodates Talmudic Zionism. Joel Webbon, by contrast, has correctly identified the incompatibility: Zionism and the Talmud contradict both Scripture and America’s founding principles. The Declaration is not a defense of the gospel once delivered to the saints; it is ecclesiastical betrayal and controlled opposition. It protects a compromised post-WWII consensus, a selective ethnic sensitivity, a futurist eschatology that keeps the Old Covenant partially alive, and institutional respectability at the expense of the exclusive claims of Jesus Christ.

This is not the first such effort. The same network previously produced a shallow, contradictory statement condemning full preterism and targeting Gary DeMar. Now Joel Webbon and others asking hard questions are the new scapegoats. In both cases the signers stand on the wrong side of the exegetical and historical evidence, elevating platforms over the plain teaching of Scripture and the finished work of Christ in AD 70.

This response examines the Declaration point by point from a consistent full-preterist perspective, drawing on the published content of the Talmud, genetic data concerning the modern state of Israel, the fulfillment of Romans 9–11 in the first-century transition, and the hypocrisy of those who claim the heritage of Luther and Rushdoony while anathematizing positions those men held. The result is a fundamental collision between the finished work of Christ and any theology that continues to grant ethnic or geopolitical Israel ongoing prophetic privilege.

Song I wrote on the Antioch Declaration and mentioning DeMar, Webbon, Wilson, Luther, and Rushdoony.

Song I wrote as a duet on Romans 9-11 that is also relevant to this article:

At the Heart of This Debate Is the Defining Role of Christian Nationalism

During COVID, questioning the vaccines got you labeled an “anti-vaxxer,” “anti-science,” and someone who wanted to kill children and grandma. Since October 7th, a growing number of Christians are waking up to the violence and Jewish supremacy of the Talmud—and are being falsely labeled “antisemite” or embracing a “conspiracy theory.” The Antioch Declaration is deploying exactly this social-engineering technique that most people are beginning to realize is just mere desperation and a desire to control a false narrative.

Doug Wilson and his circle are attempting to define Christian Nationalism in a way that can still accommodate and protect the theological and geopolitical project of Talmudic Zionism. Joel Webbon, by contrast, has correctly identified the incompatibility: Zionism and the Talmud are neither compatible with Scripture nor with the founding principles of the American Constitution. Wilson and his enablers are working to pigeonhole Webbon with the label “antisemite.”

The Antioch Declaration is not a defense of the gospel once for all delivered to the saints. It is an act of ecclesiastical betrayal and controlled opposition. Drafted and signed by a coalition of confessionally Reformed, Lutheran, and evangelical leaders—including Doug Wilson, James White, Joseph Boot, Jeff Durbin, Andrew Sandlin, and Tobias Riemenschneider—it presents itself as a necessary stand against “anti-gospel racial categories” and “reactionary thinking” on the fringes of their circles. It invokes Paul’s confrontation of Peter at Antioch (Galatians 2:11) and warns that younger Christian men are being led astray by “wolves clothed as shepherds.” In reality, the Declaration functions to protect a compromised post-WWII consensus, a selective ethnic sensitivity, a futurist eschatology that keeps the Old Covenant partially alive, and institutional respectability at the expense of the exclusive claims of Jesus Christ and the plain teaching of Scripture concerning the end of the Old Covenant age.

The Hypocritical and Unbiblical Pattern of These Men

This is not the first time this same circle, headed in significant measure by Andrew Sandlin, has resorted to a public declaration as a tool of boundary enforcement and scapegoating. Not long ago the same network produced a contradictory and divisive statement condemning full preterism. In that earlier document Gary DeMar was cast as the primary scapegoat and target—portrayed as a dangerous influence whose views threatened the faith. The critique was exegetically shallow, historically selective, and theologically inaccurate. It misrepresented the full-preterist reading of the time-texts, the fulfillment of the Old Covenant in AD 70, and the present reality of the Kingdom. Now, with the Antioch Declaration, the same pattern reappears. Pastor Joel Webbon and those associated with similar concerns have been positioned as the new scapegoats—labeled “wolves” for raising questions the establishment prefers to silence. In both cases the signers stand on the wrong side of the exegetical and historical debate. In both cases they unnecessarily sow division in the body of Christ, elevating institutional control and personal platforms above the plain teaching of Scripture and the finished work of Christ. The consistent thread is not defense of the gospel but the protection of a particular postmillennial, establishment consensus that cannot tolerate either the full implications of AD 70 or honest examination of the theological and historical issues surrounding modern Israel and the Talmud.  I have covered both of these topic in detail in my books, “Armageddon Deception” and “In the Land vs. In Christ” and they inevitably overlap.

The parallel is striking and damning. In the earlier public letter signed by many of the same men (Jason Bradfield, Uri Brito, Ardel Caneday, Jeff Durbin, John Frame, Sam Frost, Ken Gentry, Phillip Kayser, Brian Mattson, Andrew Sandlin, Keith Sherlin, Jeffery Ventrella, James White, and Doug Wilson), they demanded that DeMar answer their questions or face withdrawal of support from American Vision—because they “love” him.  The letter then moved to another declaration – A Statement on Unorthodox Eschatology. DeMar’s “crime” was simply stating that the debate between partial and full preterism should continue, that both sides needed to hash out issues, and that he wanted the freedom to study these matters for himself. He had unanswered questions for them (such as the clear parallels between Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4–5) that they refused to address publicly. It was a one-way street. They claim to embrace “Scripture alone,” “Reformed and always reforming,” the “priesthood of all believers,” and the Westminster Confession’s own acknowledgment that creeds may err and are subject to revision by the Word of God. Yet when someone exercises those principles on eschatology, the hyper-creedalists demand silence or face their wrath. Some of them claim to be public apologists yet have offered no consistent defense of their futurist “hope” (or challenges from myself to debate)–against the imminent time-texts of the New Testament. The original context of 1 Peter 3:15 was first-century believers prepared to give an answer concerning the imminent hope of Christ’s coming in their generation—a hope realized in AD 70. The signers of both letters promote a delayed, sick hope (Proverbs 13:12) that they are unwilling and unable to defend consistently.  None of the signers are willing to debate me publicly to defend their claims.

Worse still, the signers of that earlier letter were (and remain) a house divided among themselves on the very texts that determine the debate. Some of them take Daniel 12:1–7, 13; Acts 17:31 YLT; Acts 24:15 YLT; 1 Thessalonians 4–5; Matthew 24:3, 27–31; 25:31; 1 Corinthians 15:23; Matthew 13:39–43; Matthew 16:27–28; Revelation 22:7, 10–12, 20; 1 Peter 4:5–7, 17; 2 Peter 3; 2 Timothy 4:1 YLT; and large portions of Revelation 1–19, 21–22 as fulfilled in AD 70. Others among the same signers insist these passages teach a future, end-of-world-history Second Coming, general resurrection, and final judgment.

The “house divided” conflict can be summarized this way in addressing the Reformed “A Statement on Unorthodox Eschatology” trying to harmonize its eschatology with the uninspired traditions of the creeds and trying to address full preterism:

  1. A REFORMED HOUSE DIVIDED: THE FULL-PRETERISM QUESTION The Internal Conflict in “A Statement on Unorthodox Eschatology”

MAJOR PREMISE:

The New Testament teaches ONE consummative eschatological Second Coming at the end of the age, at which occur the ONE resurrection and judgment of the living and the dead and ONE arrival of the new heavens and new earth (the classic Amillennial position affirmed by some of the signers).

MINOR PREMISE:

The New Testament teaches that Christ’s promised coming—described as occurring within “this generation,” “soon,” “near,” “about to,” and “in a very, very little while” without delay—was fulfilled spiritually in AD 70 at the end of the Old Covenant age, in connection with “a” resurrection and judgment of the living and the dead event (the Partial-Preterist/Postmillennial position affirmed by other signers).

CONCLUSION:

Therefore, the ONE consummative eschatological Second Coming, including the ONE resurrection and judgment of the living and the dead, and ONE arrival of the new creation event was fulfilled within Jesus’ contemporary “this generation” in AD 70, bringing the Old Covenant age to its consummation. This is the Full-Preterist conclusion produced by combining the premises the signers themselves affirm but refuse to consistently synthesize.

And now the “house divided” conflict can be summarized this way in addressing the Reformed “Antioch Declaration” trying to harmonize its eschatology in handling the modern Jewish or Israel issue and an America First or Christian Nationalism:

  1. A REFORMED HOUSE DIVIDED: THE JEW & ISRAEL QUESTION The Internal Conflict in the “Antioch Declaration”

MAJOR PREMISE:

The New Testament teaches ONE consummative Second Coming, involving the ONE resurrection and judgment of the living and the dead, the passing away of the old heavens and earth, and the arrival of the new heavens and earth. This same eschatological complex includes Christ’s judgment of the “tribes of the land” and the salvation of “all Israel” (Matt. 24; Rom. 9:6–11:27; 13:11–12; Isa. 65–66; Heb. 1:10–12; 12:26–28; 2 Pet. 3; Rev. 21–22).

MINOR PREMISE:

The Abrahamic promises reached their New Covenant fulfillment in Christ when He came from Zion to “save all Israel” while judging apostate Old Covenant Israel in AD 70. At that same covenantal consummation, the Mosaic heavens and earth passed away, and the promised new heavens and earth / New Jerusalem arrived (Matt. 24; Rom. 9:6–11:27; 13:11–12; Isa. 65–66; Heb. 1:10–12; 12:26–28; 2 Pet. 3; Rev. 21–22).

CONCLUSION:

Therefore, the ONE Second Coming, ONE resurrection and judgment of the living and the dead, ONE passing away of the old heavens and earth, and arrival of the new heavens and earth occurred in AD 70. Consequently, the Abrahamic promises require no post-AD 70 prophetic restoration of an ethnic or geopolitical Israel. New Covenant identity and inheritance are defined “in Christ,” not by ethnicity, genealogy, or a modern nation-state.

The New Testament’s post-AD 70 eschatological distinction is therefore between those within the New Jerusalem/New Creation and unbelievers outside its gates who need the gospel—not between Gentiles and a separate ethnic Israel awaiting another covenantal destiny. Thus, this synthesis removes the exegetical basis for both Dispensationalism and forms of Postmillennialism that posit a future eschatological salvation of ethnic Jews as a distinct prophetic people or a future covenantal destiny for national Israel.

These exegetical concessions, made by the very men who attacked Gary DeMar and full preterism, spill directly into the present conflict over how the Christian Church—and any coherent Christian Nationalism—should view modern “Jews” and “Israel.” Doug Wilson, for example, takes Matthew 24:1–25:30 as fulfilled in AD 70. He therefore knows that Christ’s coming on the clouds to judge the “tribes of the land” (and the parallel in Revelation 1:7; 22:6–7, 20) occurred in AD 70 and closed the old-covenant age. He knows this judgment burned the Temple where all the genealogies were kept; thus, modern Jews have no verifiable tribal affiliation. He also knows that James Jordan has adopted a full-preterist interpretation of Romans 11:25–27, concluding that “all Israel” was saved at Christ’s coming from Zion in the “near” AD 70 timeframe (Romans 13:11–12 = Romans 11:25–27).

If—as these men themselves concede on key texts—Christ’s coming in these passages was fulfilled in AD 70, then there remain no passages of Scripture that support a future end-time eschaton for the “Jews” or national “Israel.” And that is precisely why the signers of the Antioch Declaration do not want these questions asked.

This is why they offered no Scripture in their letter to DeMar precisely because any text they might cite would expose their own internal contradictions. If the majority of New Testament eschatological texts were imminently fulfilled in AD 70 (as many of them admit on individual passages), then the farm has been given away to full preterism. Consistency would require either abandoning the AD 70 fulfillments or accepting the full implications. Instead of reconciling their major differences, they prefer to condemn those who piece the data together into a coherent system. Attacking others is easier than doing the hard work of reformation.

The same pattern of hypocrisy, selective orthodoxy, and institutional gatekeeping reappears in the Antioch Declaration. The signers again position themselves as defenders of the faith while refusing open exegetical engagement, branding necessary questions as wolfishness, and protecting platforms rather than pursuing truth. In both instances they stand on the wrong side of the exegetical and historical evidence and sow unnecessary division in the body of Christ.

Further Hypocrisies: Doug Wilson, Race, and Christian Nationalism

Further hypocrisies compound the problem. Doug Wilson has publicly boasted of his approximate 2 percent European Jewish ancestry (with higher percentages in his immediate family, connections to a rabbi on his wife’s side, and Israeli cousins) and expressed personal attachment to the modern state of Israel over against the U.S. Yet the Antioch Declaration itself affirms that Jew and Gentile are one in Christ, that ethnic barriers have no place in the Church, and that the ultimate bond is the Kingdom of God through the Covenant of Grace rather than blood. Wilson’s selective ethnic pride sits uneasily beside the document’s formal universalism.

Likewise, many of the signers identify as Reformed theonomists who claim the heritage of Martin Luther and R.J. Rushdoony. Yet their declarations force them into the position of cursing both men. Luther, in On the Jews and Their Lies, explicitly identified the Talmud’s teachings of Jewish supremacy, the permission to kill Gentiles, the view of Gentiles as cattle, and the hope of a Messiah who would slay Christians and make Jews lords of the world. Rushdoony, in Institutes of Biblical Law, challenged aspects of the conventional Holocaust narrative and the standard six-million figure while still affirming Nazi atrocities. By the logic of the Antioch Declaration, both Luther and Rushdoony would fall under the same anathemas now directed at those who notice Talmudic content or question protected historical narratives. The signers cannot consistently claim these theological fathers of their movements while anathematizing the very positions those fathers held.

In 2016 Doug Wilson wrote the following in his Blog & Mablog post “A Diem That Needs Some Carping” (December 29, 2016):

“My affection for Israel is personal, in addition to being theological and political. My wife’s great-great-grandfather was Rabbi Cohn, one of my co-grandfathers is a Christian Jew, my kids and grandkids have cousins who are Israeli, and according to AncestryDNA, I myself am 2% European Jewish. Nancy is 11% European Jew, her mother 26%. What all this amounts to is that our family would be much more involved on an active personal level if terrorists overran Israel than we would be if terrorists overran Vermont.”

Wilson later clarified that he was speaking of personal and family connections rather than U.S. military policy. Nevertheless, the statement remains revealing. On the basis of a 2% AncestryDNA result and distant family ties, he openly ranks personal concern for the modern state of Israel above concern for an American state.

Never mind Israel’s role in stealing our nuclear secrets, selling our secrets to China, most likely being involved with the C.I.A. in assassinating President Kennedy, their role in killing our sailors aboard the USS Liberty, and the Pentagon telling us that Israel commits more espionage against us than any other country in the world. Never mind that they are the most hated country in the world for committing war crimes and genocide. Never mind that they control and install their Zionist politicians and run our elections through AIPAC. Never mind that many in Israel and their foreign policy of genocide are guided by their Talmud, which teaches that Gentiles and Christians are animals and were only created to be slaves to the Jews. Bibi and many Rabbis admit they are at war with “Edom” and “Rome,” which refers to Christians and America.

No, because Doug thinks he is 2% Jewish, this trumps all these facts. And the irony only deepens when Doug tries to position himself as the poster boy for “Christian Nationalism.” The wicked and violent eschatology found in the Muslim Quran and the Jewish Talmud is incompatible with Scripture, our Christian founding, and the Constitution. Doug Wilson is no less a “useful idiot” than the Dispensational Zionists that Israel and AIPAC install in our government to silence free speech and spread genocide. There is nothing “America First” or “Christian Nationalism” about Doug Wilson. Thus his attack on Joel Webbon—who has now rightfully taken that mantle and exposed Wilson as a total fraud. The Antioch Declaration wants us to “identify the enemy,” and ironically for them—it’s staring back at them in the mirror!

This comprehensive response is historical, logical, and thoroughly eschatological from a full-preterist perspective. It draws extensively on the critiques developed by Peter Boland of Supremacy of Christ Studios, the genetic and historical data concerning the population of the modern state of Israel, the published contents of the Talmud as a post-biblical tradition, the detailed full-preterist exposition of Romans 9–11 showing that “all Israel” was saved in the first-century covenantal transition culminating in AD 70, and a systematic engagement with every major affirmation and denial in the Declaration. The result is not a secondary intramural disagreement; it is a fundamental collision between the finished work of Christ and a theology that continues to treat ethnic and geopolitical Israel as carrying ongoing prophetic privilege.

I. The Antioch Analogy Inverted: Who Are the True Judaizers?

The Declaration opens by quoting Acts 11:26 and Galatians 2:11, claiming the mantle of Paul opposing Peter for subjecting the gospel to racial barriers. Paul rebuked Peter because he withdrew from Gentile table fellowship under pressure from the “party of the circumcision.” The issue was the reimposition of ethnic and ritual criteria as conditions of full standing in the people of God. Justification is by faith in Christ alone, not by Jewish identity or Mosaic observance (Galatians 2:16).

The irony is profound. The authors of the Declaration are the spiritual successors to the Judaizers. They have constructed a modern version of the error under the banner of “Judeo-Christian” values and an uncritical protective posture toward the modern state of Israel and its related historical narratives. As Peter Boland has demonstrated across multiple episodes of Supremacy of Christ Studios, there is no such thing as a “Judeo-Christian” ethic. The Talmud, like the Quran, is a post-biblical tradition that stands in opposition to the claims of Jesus Christ and laws go contrary to our Constitution and founding. Syncretism is sin. The Declaration’s collaborators—many of whom have spent careers opposing dispensationalism—suddenly sound as protective of ethnic and political Israel as the most ardent Christian Zionists when the subject turns to criticism of Talmudic influence, genetic claims, or the prophetic status of the modern state. This is not consistent covenant theology; it is practical heresy that subordinates the finished work of Christ to ethnic and geopolitical considerations.

They demand that European-descended Christians reject “identity politics” and absolute loyalty to “blood and soil,” while remaining silent about the explicit ethnonational character of the State of Israel, which defines citizenship and national identity in terms of Jewish peoplehood and the Law of Return. This is the double standard at the heart of the document. One group is permitted—and celebrated for—an explicit ethnostate with a Law of Return based on blood and ancestry, while another is told that noticing its own demographic dispossession or seeking the continuity of its historic peoples is an “anti-gospel” sin. The Declaration effectively demands that Christians support a geopolitical and theological double standard hostile to their own survival and to the universal leveling of the gospel (Ephesians 2:11–22; Colossians 3:11; Galatians 3:28). This asymmetry is not the power of the Cross; it is the selective application of universalism that binds Christian consciences to a foreign political and religious interest. Boland is correct: the framing of the Declaration turns disagreement into wolfishness. When Andrew Sandlin responded to Boland’s critique by accusing him of “Jew-hatred” and calling for divine anathemas to “rain down afresh on these enemies of the Cross,” he illustrated the point. The Declaration’s severe language makes intramural conversation impossible and functions as gatekeeping by men who have positioned themselves as Reformed Popes.

II. The “Wolf” Motif Inverted and the Hireling Dynamic

The Declaration affirms that faithful shepherds must identify and fight wolves, and it warns that disillusioned young men, reacting against secular lies, are vulnerable to a new set of reactionary falsehoods. This pastoral concern is formally valid. Its practical application is inverted, and the inversion reveals the hireling dynamic at work.

For decades many of these same leaders have watched Western Christian societies undergo demographic transformation, institutional capture by ideologies hostile to historic Christian norms, and cultural narratives that pathologize European identity while celebrating every other form of group interest. When some of those young men begin examining open-source patterns of overrepresentation, published religious texts, and the theological errors that sustain uncritical support for modern Israel, the response is primarily denunciation rather than careful historical, genetic, and biblical analysis. Labeling the inquiry itself as scapegoating or antisemitism functions as a conversation-stopper.

Why do they do this? It is not primarily about defending the faith once delivered. It is about the preservation of institutional respectability. Men like Wilson, Durbin, White, and Sandlin have carefully curated brands, conference circuits, publishing arms, and platforms within the conservative and Reformed establishment. They are terrified of being cancelled by the same secular media and elite institutions they claim to oppose. To speak plainly about the Talmud as a published tradition hostile to Christ, about the genetic discontinuity of the dominant population in the modern state of Israel, or about the end of the Old Covenant in AD 70 would risk the loss of mainstream access, donor networks, and the appearance of respectability. They are hirelings protecting their own prestige rather than shepherds willing to suffer for the truth. Boland has documented this pattern repeatedly: the Declaration’s collaborators treat substantive critique as wolfishness while their own severe language forces a fight rather than inviting fraternal discussion. Scripture rejects collective ethnic guilt (Ezekiel 18; Romans 2:6–11). It does not thereby forbid honest examination of cultural, religious, and institutional patterns. Christian writers from the early centuries through the Reformation engaged the Talmud and rabbinic literature as public, normative texts. Treating published legal and theological traditions as data is not conspiracy theorizing. The Declaration’s pastoral rhetoric protects platforms more than the flock.

Boland further notes that Sandlin’s call for divine anathemas to rain down on those who share his views would necessarily encompass figures the signers themselves claim as part of their heritage—most notably R.J. Rushdoony (“y’all’s boy”), who also refused to treat the conventional postwar historical narrative as beyond scrutiny. The same gatekeeping that anathematizes Boland would, by consistency, anathematize Rushdoony.

III. Genetic Reality Versus the Zionist Founding Myth

The Declaration treats the modern state of Israel as an object of ongoing providential care whose critics must be carefully restrained. Yet the foundational claim of political Zionism—that the Jewish population of the state consists primarily of the genetic descendants of the ancient Israelites—is contradicted by modern genetic evidence.

Ancient Canaanite and Israelite genomes from Bronze and Iron Age sites in the Southern Levant show that modern Arabic-speaking populations (Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese) derive substantial ancestry—often 50 percent or more—from those ancient populations. Ashkenazi maternal lineages, by contrast, are overwhelmingly European, with the closest matches among modern Italians and Israelite contribution estimated at only 5–7 percent in direct competitive models. Samaritans, who maintain continuous residence and authentic priestly genealogies, cluster with Levantine populations; Ashkenazim cluster with Southern Europeans. Whether the historical pathway ran through Khazar conversion or Southern European admixture, the result is identical: the Ashkenazi population that has dominated Israeli politics, military command, the Supreme Court, and financial institutions is the least genetically connected to the ancient Israelites.

Jewish identity under traditional Halakha is transmitted through the mother. If the majority of Ashkenazi maternal lines are European, then by the tradition’s own standards a large portion of the population descends from converts. This observation implies no collective moral inferiority and justifies mistreatment of no individual. It simply exposes the racial founding myth of political Zionism as historically and genetically false. The Declaration’s equation of such questions with antisemitism, and the institutional pressure against researchers who publish inconvenient findings, functions as censorship rather than defense of truth. The Ninth Commandment requires honest testimony. Protected myths do not.

Since old covenant national Israel reached her OT and NT prophetic “appointed time” to her “end” in AD 70 when Christ came upon the clouds in vengeance (Deut. 32:20-29, 35 LXX-43; Dan. 9:24-27 LXX; Dan. 12:4 LXX; Matt. 24:3-34 / Luke 21:20-32), we must address who actually are the people claiming to be “Jews” living in “Israel” today and what is their Talmudic eschatology that calls for war with Christians and global dominance.  For more on that see my article here.  Or see my new book, “In the Land vs. In Christ” which addresses these exegetical and political issues in much more detail than I can get into here.

IV. The Talmud as Published Tradition, Not Conspiracy Theory

The Declaration denies that Jews are uniquely malevolent, that Judaism represents an exceptional threat, or that world affairs are governed by a Jewish conspiracy. It affirms that individual God-hating Jews have produced cultural destruction just as individual God-hating Gentiles have. These formal statements are true as far as they go. They do not address the actual content of the post-biblical rabbinic tradition.

As I document in my books:  “Armageddon Deception” and “In the Land vs. In Christ” and as Boland has shown at length, the Talmud is a legal and theological corpus intended to govern Jewish life. Standard published editions contain passages that distinguish Jewish souls from Gentile status, permit certain forms of economic advantage and deception toward non-Jews, and express hostility toward Jesus and Christianity. Leading rabbis have publicly reiterated related themes of Jewish spiritual superiority and Gentile service. The common “context” defense requires demonstration that the plain sense is overturned; blanket dismissal while demanding silence is not scholarship. The Talmud itself restricts Gentile study of its contents—a fact that historically limited Christian awareness.

Luther engaged these texts as the legal and religious reality of his day. Boland emphasizes that Luther, in On the Jews and Their Lies, was not merely an “antisemite” as modern critics claim; he knew exactly what the Talmud taught. Luther recorded that the Talmud and the rabbis teach it is no sin for a Jew to kill a Gentile (only a sin to kill a fellow Israelite), that breaking an oath to a Gentile is permitted, that stealing or robbing from a Gentile is a service to God, that Jews are the “noble blood and circumcised saints” while Gentiles are “accursed,” “servants,” and “cattle,” and that they are the “lords of the world.” Luther further noted that the Jewish Messianic hope is for a worldly king who will “slay the Christians,” divide the world among the Jews, and make them masters. He therefore advised that Talmudic writings be taken from them because they teach “idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy.” Boland’s point is precise: Luther recognized a different religion that is completely incompatible with biblical Christianity. Searching for “pure exegetical gold” in the Talmud, as some have claimed, is futile; the text stands opposed to Christ in the same way the Quran does.

To categorize sustained examination of these texts today as “conspiracy theory” or “scapegoating” is either historical illiteracy or a calculated preference for mainstream respectability over the God of truth. This is not an ethnicity problem; it is a theology problem. Judaism is an ethnic religion, and its published traditions shape patterns of thought. Pointing this out is the loving act of telling every people—including Jewish people—that there is no hope in ethnicity, flesh, merit, or religious tradition, but only in Jesus Christ alone. Boland’s formulation remains the most precise: “I actually love Jewish people more than Douglas Wilson does, because what he is saying actually hardens them in their sin by appealing to their sinful flesh and their lust for Jewish supremacy. Whereas what I’m doing is pointing out the plain testimony of Scripture in order that they might realize that there is no hope for them on the basis of their ethnicity; that there is nothing in their flesh, no good works, no merit, no virtue in them—just as it is true of all the rest of us—that their hope might be solely on the basis of Jesus Christ. And telling a person that is the most loving and compassionate thing you can do for them.” The charge of “antisemitism” functions here not as moral correction but as a conversation-stopper—an institutional tool to protect a mid-twentieth-century synthesis from scrutiny.

V. Protected Historical Narratives and the Ninth Commandment

The Declaration affirms that the volume of evidence for the deliberate mass murder of millions of Jews by the Nazi regime constitutes historical certitude, and that denying this calls the science of history itself into question. It distinguishes legitimate debate about Allied strategies from malice or hatred.

A consistent application of the Ninth Commandment requires that every historical claim remain open to evidence-based scrutiny. No narrative—religious or secular—should be elevated to the status of an unchallengeable sacrament enforced by social, professional, or ecclesiastical penalties. Full preterism already locates the decisive covenantal judgment in AD 70. Later historical tragedies, however real and horrific, do not reopen or reverse that fulfillment. Treating any twentieth-century narrative as a unique quasi-theological foundation for the post-WWII moral and political order can function as a secular sacred canopy that substitutes for the finished work of Christ. If the evidence is decisive, open historical debate strengthens rather than weakens it. Protected narratives enforced by anathemas are the mark of ideology, not of truth-seeking.

It is worth noting that R.J. Rushdoony, a figure many of the Declaration’s signers claim as part of their intellectual heritage, challenged aspects of the conventional scale of the Holocaust in Institutes of Biblical Law. While affirming Nazi atrocities against Jews as mass murder, he questioned the standard six-million figure by reference to revisionist sources and framed the discussion in terms of the danger of inflated numbers numbing the modern conscience. He also pointed out documented and historical lies the Jews have spread about Germany:

“With the two world wars, lying became especially prominent in international politics…The false witness made with respect to Germany in World War I was thus clearly evil. The stories of German atrocities were manufactured and were vicious and totally false. The false witness born during World War II with respect to Germany is especially notable and revealing. The charge is repeatedly made that six million innocent Jews were slain by the Nazis, and the figure-and even larger figures-is now entrenched in the history books. Poncins, in summarizing the studies of the French Socialist, Paul Rassinier, himself a prisoner in Buchenwald, states: ‘Rassinier reached the conclusion that the number of Jews who died after deportation is approximately 1,200,000 and this figure, he tells us, has finally been accepted as valid by the Centre Mondial de Documentation Juive Contemporaine. Likewise he notes that Raul Hilberg, in his study of the same problem, reached a total of 896,292 victims.’ Very many of these people died of epidemics; many were executed. During World War II, a brief and popular book gave a hint of the new mentality. Kaufman called in 1941 for the total sterilization of all Germans and the elimination thereby of the German nation. Kaufman was not alone … ” -R.J. Rushdoony (Institutes of Biblical Law, Vol. 1, Pg. 586-589). If you want to see it in context, please go here and scroll to page 597: https://www.scribd.com/document/336023560/Institutes-of-Biblical-Law-R-J-Rushdoony#page=597

Not only is there no mention of Rabbis calling for the extinction of the German race, there is no effort to be objective and discuss Talmudic Jewish Communism killing 60 million Christians.  I digress.  Sandlin’s anathemas, if applied consistently, would fall on Rushdoony as well.

VI. Full Preterism and Romans 9–11: AD 70 as the Pivot That Liberates the Church

The Declaration’s eschatology remains implicitly futurist. It affirms, with the Puritans of old, that multitudes of Jews will one day come to faith and be added to the true commonwealth of Israel. The Bible and Full preterism demonstrates that this hope was fulfilled in the first-century remnant and the ingathering of the Gentiles. This is the lethal corrective. AD 70 is not merely a historical detail; it is the pivot that liberates the Church from the bondage of waiting for a geopolitical restoration that already occurred in the shadow of the Cross and the destruction of the Temple.

Paul’s central burden in Romans 9–11 is not a distant future restoration of ethnic Israel after two millennia. It is the immediate covenant crisis of his own generation: the majority of Israel had rejected the Messiah, yet God’s word had not failed. “But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Romans 9:6). This distinction between Israel according to the flesh and Israel according to promise is the interpretive key to the entire section. Covenant identity has always operated through sovereign promise rather than physical descent alone (Isaac over Ishmael; Jacob over Esau). There have always been two Israels: the rebellious majority and the faithful remnant.

Paul’s argument is saturated with the Old Testament, and he expects readers to recover the full contexts. Hosea’s declaration that those once called “Not My People” would become “sons of the living God” is fulfilled in the multi-ethnic Church composed of the Jewish remnant and believing Gentiles (Romans 9:25–26; cf. 1 Peter 2:9–10). Isaiah’s cry that only a remnant would be saved, and that the Lord would execute a short, decisive sentence upon the land, is applied directly to Paul’s generation (Romans 9:27–29; Isaiah 10:22–23). The Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32) foretold a terminal, perverse, and crooked generation that would reject its Rock, fill up the measure of its rebellion, and be provoked to jealousy by a “no-people,” with vengeance and salvation arriving together at the appointed kairos. Paul identifies the Gentile mission, Israel’s jealousy, and the approaching judgment as that fulfillment (Romans 10:19; 11:11; 12:19; 13:11–12). Jesus Himself identified His contemporaries as that generation (Matthew 23:32–36; 24:34).The “mystery” revealed in Romans 11:25–26 is not a future ethnic restoration. Elsewhere Paul defines the mystery as the uniting of Jew and Gentile into one new body in Christ (Ephesians 2:11–22; 3:1–6; Romans 16:25–26; Colossians 1:25–27). A partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness (pleroma—completeness, maturity, consummation) of the Gentiles has come in. “And in this way (houtōs—manner, not merely sequence) all Israel will be saved.” “All Israel” is the true Israel already defined in Romans 9:6—the children of promise, the elect remnant together with the grafted-in Gentiles—brought to covenantal maturity when the old order passed away when Christ came from Zion in a “near” AD 70 time frame (Rom. 11:25-27; 13:11-12).

Paul supports the salvation of “all Israel” by conflating Isaiah 59 and Isaiah 27: the Deliverer comes from Zion to banish ungodliness from Jacob and take away their sins. In the prophetic contexts, this coming brings both judgment upon the unfaithful and redemption to the remnant, and the removal of Jacob’s sin is linked to the crushing of the altars and the desolation of the fortified city (Isaiah 27:9). These events occurred in the Jewish-Roman War of AD 66–70. John the Baptist had already prepared the way for this dual reality of judgment and salvation (Isaiah 40; Malachi 3–4), warning of the wrath about to come and declaring that the winnowing fork was already in the Messiah’s hand. The same harvest and trumpet imagery appears in Jesus’ teaching concerning His coming within that generation (Matthew 13:39–43; 24:30–31).

The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable (Romans 11:29), but those gifts—adoption, glory, covenants, law, worship, promises, and the patriarchs—were always mediated through promise rather than flesh and find their telos in Christ (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:16, 29). The land was typological and conditional. The inheritance is the new-covenant world and the heavenly country the patriarchs sought (Romans 4:13; Hebrews 11:10, 16). The double “now” of mercy in Romans 11:30–31 places the entire mechanism of disobedience, jealousy, and reciprocal mercy inside the first-century horizon. God has consigned both Jew and Gentile to disobedience so that He may have mercy on both—the “all” who constitute the true Israel of God.

By pushing the “promises” into an open-ended future, the Declaration and similar frameworks create a theological vacuum that allows support for whatever geopolitical project is currently en vogue. AD 70 closes that vacuum. The Old Covenant age ended. The modern state of Israel is not a fulfillment of prophecy; it is a purely secular, geopolitical project. The Temple is dust. The genealogical records were destroyed. The Church—Jews and Gentiles who confess Jesus as Lord—is the true Israel of God (Galatians 6:16). This is liberation. The Church is no longer bound to wait for a fleshly restoration that already occurred. Any attempt to exhume the corpse of ethnic Israel as a prophetic necessity is a direct assault on the finished work of Christ.

The Inconsistency of Joel Webbon & Peter Boland on Romans 11:25-27

I would not be fully honest if I failed to note that both Joel Webbon and Peter Boland have adopted what amounts to a full-preterist exegesis of Romans 11:25-27. Only by reading these verses as fulfilled in the first-century transition can they consistently refute the church’s compromise with Talmudic or Dispensational Zionism and dismantle any ongoing “prophetic Israel” or “the Jews” as fulfilling any alleged “end-time eschaton.” When they take this approach, they are able to neutralize a future eschatology of the Jews or national Israel that appears in both classic Dispensationalism and in certain forms of Postmillennialism that still treat ethnic Israel as a distinct covenantal entity awaiting mass conversion. This reading alone equips them to address the Jewish question, critique the modern state of Israel on theological grounds, and advance a coherent Christian Nationalism.  For a more detailed exegesis of Romans 9-11 refuting Dispensationalism and Postmillennialism see my article here.

The move stands in clear tension with the earlier declaration signed by many of these same men—an effort that sought to police the boundaries of acceptable discourse within the Reformed community and actively discourage open study of full preterism.

VII. Kingdom Purposes, Political Antitheses, and the True Conflict

The Declaration denies that “the Kingdom purposes of Christ and requirements of His Word can be equated with the seating positions of political actors during the French Revolution, or that the modern antithesis between right and left is equivalent to the antithesis that God established in the Garden of Eden between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent, the kingdom of darkness and kingdom of light.”

This is formally correct and should be affirmed by any consistent Christian. The ultimate antithesis is spiritual and covenantal: Christ versus the serpent, the Kingdom of God versus the kingdom of darkness, the New Covenant versus the Old that ended in AD 70. Political categories—whether the left and right of the National Assembly in 1789 or today’s progressive versus conservative spectrum—are secondary, shifting human constructs. They are not the primary binary of redemptive history.

Historically, the French Revolution’s seating arrangement (supporters of the king on the right, radicals on the left) gave us the modern political vocabulary, but it arose from Enlightenment rationalism, anti-clericalism, and the collapse of the ancien régime. It was not a recovery of biblical categories. Logically, equating any modern political coalition with the seed of the woman risks baptizing temporary alliances as eternal. Full preterism reinforces this: the decisive victory of the seed of the woman occurred in the first-century judgment on the Old Covenant order and the establishment of the Kingdom that now fills the earth. No contemporary left/right alignment can claim to be that antithesis. The Declaration is right to deny the equation; the critique is that its practical effect still subordinates Kingdom priorities to the preservation of a particular post-WWII political-theological consensus.

VIII. The Origins of Neo-Pagan Secularism: Enlightenment Roots and the Post-WWII Tipping Point

The Declaration denies that “neo-pagan secularism with its utopian religious motive arose as a consensus after World War II.” Instead, it affirms that it “manifests itself as the political outworking of the so-called Enlightenment during the French Revolution and gradually won the hearts and minds of Western nations, being well expressed in the political philosophies dominating Europe prior to the outbreak of the two great global conflagrations.” It further affirms that the aftermath of WWII served as a “cultural tipping point” for the secular narrative, the myth of religious neutrality, idolatrous pluralism, and mandatory globalist cosmopolitanism, while also nurturing a thread of self-doubt and white guilt.

History confirms the deeper roots. The Enlightenment (roughly 17th–18th centuries) elevated autonomous reason, natural religion or deism, and the social contract over revealed religion and Christendom’s confessional order. Thinkers such as Voltaire, Rousseau, Diderot, and the French philosophes attacked the Church as the source of superstition and tyranny. The French Revolution (1789–1799) attempted to enact this program: the Civil Constitution of the Clergy, the Cult of Reason, the de-Christianization campaign, and the metricization of time and space were explicit efforts to replace Christian order with a secular, utopian alternative. Nineteenth-century liberalism, positivism (Comte), Marxism, and various forms of nationalism continued the trajectory. By the early twentieth century, secular philosophies dominated European intellectual life; the world wars were fought in a culture already largely post-Christian in its elite institutions.

The Declaration is therefore historically accurate that secularism did not begin in 1945. WWII and its aftermath functioned as an accelerant and a moral reset. The scale of industrial death, the revelation of the camps, and the subsequent American-led order elevated “never again,” human rights universalism, and a myth of neutral procedural liberalism into quasi-sacred status. The self-loathing and civilizational guilt the Declaration notes are real cultural phenomena in the post-war West, particularly in Protestant and formerly Christian nations. Logically, however, recognizing pre-WWII roots does not require treating the post-war settlement as beyond critique. Full preterism further relativizes all such historical tipping points: the decisive civilizational and covenantal transition already occurred in AD 70. Later secular projects, whether Enlightenment or post-1945, are simply further rebellions against an already-established Kingdom. The Declaration’s historical point is sound; its implication that challenging the post-war narrative is necessarily a reactionary trap within that narrative does not follow.

IX. Disillusionment, Self-Loathing, and True Repentance

The Declaration affirms that disillusionment and resentment over secular lies leave young men vulnerable to new deceptions, and that there is a vital biblical difference between the self-loathing of men in the grip of a failed idol and the true repentance of the Christian man. It denies that disillusionment alone prepares one to stand in the truth.

This is pastorally and psychologically true. Scripture distinguishes worldly sorrow from godly grief that leads to repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10). Self-loathing that remains centered on the failed idol (whether progressive utopia or a romanticized past) produces either despair or a search for a new scapegoat. True Christian repentance turns from idols to the living God, receives forgiveness in Christ, and then walks in the light of the already-inaugurated Kingdom. Full preterism supplies the positive content: the Old Covenant idols (including any lingering ethnic or territorial claims) have already been judged; the believer is transferred into the Kingdom of the Son (Colossians 1:13). The Declaration’s distinction is correct. The critique is that its application often treats any sustained critique of post-war sacred narratives or of Talmudic/Zionist theological errors as evidence of the wrong kind of disillusionment, rather than as potential fruits of genuine repentance from false trusts.

X. Honoring the Fathers Without Dishonoring Them

The Declaration denies that “it is possible to recover an ethic that honors our fathers and their momentous sacrifices while actively and openly dishonoring them.”

Historically and logically this is sound. The Fifth Commandment requires honor of father and mother; by extension, a people that systematically despises its own ancestors cannot sustain itself. The men who fought in the world wars, built the institutions of the West, and transmitted the Christian faith deserve honor for genuine goods they preserved or achieved. Open contempt for them as a class is corrosive. At the same time, honor is not uncritical hagiography. Scripture itself records the sins of the fathers (the golden calf, the high places, the rejection of the prophets and the Messiah). Full preterism requires us to honor the faithfulness of the remnant in the first century while recognizing that the majority of ethnic Israel in that generation filled up the measure of its fathers’ sins and came under covenant judgment. The same principle applies later: one can honor the courage of Allied soldiers or the genuine achievements of Western civilization without treating every wartime decision or every post-war institution as sacrosanct. The Declaration’s principle is right; its application must not be used to shield particular narratives from examination.

XI. The Theudas Example and the Temptation of Influence

The Declaration affirms that as the secular edifice crumbles, many will refuse Christ; “strong gods” will return; godless influential figures will arise the way Theudas did (Acts 5:36); and some Christian leaders will be tempted to ape such methods for clicks, followers, and ephemeral influence.

The historical reference is accurate. Theudas was a first-century Jewish revolutionary who gathered a following with messianic claims and was killed by Roman forces; Gamaliel cites him as an example of a movement that came to nothing. Josephus records similar figures. The logical warning is also valid: in times of cultural upheaval, the desire for rapid influence can lead Christian teachers to adopt the rhetorical style, scapegoating techniques, or personality-driven methods of secular influencers. Full preterism supplies the corrective: the true “strong God” has already come in judgment and Kingdom establishment. The Church’s task is patient proclamation of the finished work, not imitation of fleeting charismatic movements. Boland’s critique of institutional gatekeeping and anathema-issuing aligns here: the temptation cuts both ways. Established leaders can also use the language of “wolves” and “influence” to protect platforms rather than to shepherd. The Declaration’s warning is legitimate; consistency requires applying it to all parties, including those who deploy ecclesiastical declarations as tools of boundary enforcement.

XII. Civic Adiaphora on WWII Strategies Versus Malice and Race-Baiting

The Declaration denies that any particular view of Allied leaders, strategies, or tactics during World War II should be a test of Christian orthodoxy. It further denies that this civic adiaphora may be expanded to cover malice, vainglory, race-baiting, antisemitism, treachery, bitterness, or hatred. These issues are entirely distinct. It also denies that Hitler’s racial and antisemitic theories and Nazi neo-pagan doctrines can be harmonized with the gospel.

These distinctions are logically necessary. Christians may disagree in good faith about the wisdom of particular strategic decisions, the morality of area bombing, the justice of the post-war settlements, or the precise scale and mechanisms of wartime atrocities without thereby endorsing Nazi ideology or racial hatred. Nazi racial theory and its neo-pagan mythology are fundamentally anti-Christian; any attempt to baptize them is foolish. The Declaration is right to keep these categories distinct. The critique is that the Declaration’s practical effect often collapses legitimate historical inquiry (including examination of wartime propaganda, post-war narrative construction, or the published contents of the Talmud) into the forbidden categories of “antisemitism” or “race-baiting.” Civic adiaphora must remain adiaphora; it cannot be selectively expanded or contracted to protect one set of sacred narratives while leaving others open.

XIII. Consistency on Peoples, Nations, and the Model of Christ Alone

The Declaration affirms that God has ordained the existence of peoples and nations (Acts 17:26–28), that cultural heritage is something for which to be grateful, and that national pride and healthy patriotism are appropriate for Christians. It simultaneously rejects every form of identity politics and subordinates blood, soil, family, and nation to the totalizing bond of the Kingdom of God. This is formally correct.

Consistency requires applying the same standards across the board. If European Christians may not notice or advocate for the continuity of their historic peoples and cultures without being charged with anti-gospel categories, the same logic must apply to every other people group—including those that explicitly organize around ethnicity and kinship. The Declaration’s intense focus on shielding one particular people group from collective critique, paired with its strong language against “right-wing” identity politics, produces an uneven application. The silence on Israel’s explicit ethnonationalism while condemning European identity awareness is the double standard already noted.

Doug Wilson’s public statements concerning his partial Jewish ancestry (approximately 2 percent European Jewish by AncestryDNA, higher percentages in his immediate family, connections to a rabbi on his wife’s side, and Israeli cousins) and his personal attachment to the modern state illustrate the divided loyalties the Declaration protects. Boland has highlighted the inconsistency of treating the Talmud as containing “pure exegetical gold” while the same tradition contains explicit hostility toward Jesus. Collaborators who have long promoted Wilson now face the question of whether institutional alliances outweigh fidelity to the exclusive claims of Christ. A man cannot serve two masters.

The Declaration closes by affirming that “in all things, including the treatment of our fellow human beings, the model man and example is not the life and teaching of Aristotle, nor any other merely historical personage, but the Lord Jesus Christ himself, Son of Man and eternal Son of God.” This is theologically non-negotiable and should be affirmed without qualification. Aristotle’s ethics of virtue, magnanimity, and the natural hierarchy of peoples have been influential in Christian thought (especially via medieval reception), but they are not the norm. Christ is the image of the invisible God, the last Adam, the perfect human, and the Lord of the nations. Full preterism intensifies this: the Kingdom He established in the first century is the present reality in which all human relations are to be ordered. Any recovery of classical pagan categories (including certain ethnonationalist appropriations of Aristotle or other ancients) must be subordinated to, and corrected by, the person and work of Christ. The Declaration is right. Consistency requires that the same Christ-centered standard be applied to every competing loyalty—whether classical, ethnic, national, or the “Judeo-Christian” synthesis itself.

Christ also referred to those claiming to have Abraham as their father as “serpents” and “sons of the Devil.”  He also called them out for their verbal Talmudic traditions–pointing out how their traditions sought to nullify the Word of God.  The signers of the Antioch Declaration and their attacks on full preterism receive the rebukes of Christ Himself.  We gladly expose the errors that Christ Himself did.

XIV. Conclusion: The Kingdom Is Here — A Call to the Remnant

The Antioch Declaration seeks to protect the gospel from ethnic barriers, scapegoating, and hatred. Those aims are legitimate in the abstract. In practice, it is a defensive mechanism for a dying regime—preserving institutional respectability, conference circuits, and curated brands within a post-WWII consensus that is disintegrating. It brands necessary theological and historical inquiry as wolfishness while maintaining a futurist vacuum that keeps the Church tethered to the corpse of a dead covenant and Rothschild’s attempt to make “Israel” prophetic and esteemed again to push endless holy wars which they profit from.

We do not need the permission of the Antioch signers to be the Church. We do not need their anathemas. AD 70 is the pivot that liberates us. The shadows have passed. The substance is Christ. There is no hope in ethnicity, in Talmudic tradition, in geopolitical projects claiming prophetic status, or in protected secular narratives. There is hope only in the finished work of Jesus Christ and the one new man He has created—the sole Israel of God. The charges of “antisemitism” or “conspiracy theory” are frequently a smokescreen designed to protect a lie. Scripture proves the Old Covenant ended. Genetics and history expose the myth of unbroken succession. The Talmud itself testifies to its violent opposition to the Messiah and Christians.  It’s violent eschatology is no much different than that of the Muslims and the Quran. The faithful remnant will continue to proclaim the truth without fear, build parallel institutions grounded in the victorious gospel, and refuse the theological errors that have paralyzed the Church. Let the signers issue their declarations. The Kingdom is here, the Old has passed away, and the absolute, uncompromising truth of Jesus Christ alone is already winning.

Soli Deo Gloria.

Nothing Unclean Enters–Revelation 21:27, the New Jerusalem, and the Collapse of Delayed Eschatology

The New Jerusalem, Present Cleanness, and the Logical and Soteriological Failure of Delayed Eschatology

In a recent public debate between myself and Don K. Preston against Jeremiah Nortier and Sam Frost on the Olivet Discourse, Revelation 21:27 was raised as an objection to my position. This appeal was predictable. In my opening presentation, I affirmed the well-documented Reformed and evangelical position—citing them directly (as I have consistently done in my books)—that the “passing” of the “heaven(s) and earth” in Isaiah 65-66; Matthew 24:35; 2 Peter 3; and Revelation 21–22 refers to the dissolution of the old covenant order and the establishment of the new covenant world in AD 70. Jeremiah, defending a classical amillennial framework, objected to my position that believers are already covenantally “clean” in the New Jerusalem. His assertion was straightforward: one cannot sin—or be a sinner—while at the same time being “clean” and a resident of the New Jerusalem.

That objection rests on a category mistake.

In response, I explained that John is describing positional standing before God, not experiential moral perfection. John’s language in Revelation 21–22 is covenantal, cultic, and temple-oriented—not a metaphysical description of moral ontology. Believers are declared righteous through the finished work of Christ and inherit the new covenant “world of righteousness” (2 Pet. 3). I was told this was “not Reformed theology.” Yet that claim collapses upon even minimal engagement with the Reformation itself.

Martin Luther—despite interpreting Matthew 24:35; 2 Peter 3; and Revelation 21–22 within a future-consummation framework—never postponed cleanness, justification, or access to God until that future state. On the contrary, Luther grounded the believer’s present standing before God in simul iustus et peccator. As he put it, “This is truly the mystery of justification: that the penitent man is at the same time righteous and a sinner.” Luther’s eschatological futurity did not negate present covenantal access. The believer is righteous coram Deo by imputation, even while remaining sinful in se. To deny present cleanness on the grounds of ongoing sin is therefore not “Reformed theology”; it is a rejection of the Reformation’s most basic doctrinal insight.

This unresolved tension is compounded by the fact that many Reformed theologians now openly acknowledge that AD 70 marked the definitive end of the old covenant age—the passing away of the covenantal “heavens and earth.” Figures such as John Owen, John Lightfoot, R. C. Sproul, Kenneth Gentry, Peter Leithart, Doug Wilson, Keith Mathison, Joel McDurmon, Gary DeMar, Joel Webbon, Andrew Isker, and others affirm—albeit with varying degrees of consistency—that Isaiah 65–66; Matthew 5:17–18; Matthew 24:29, 35; 2 Peter 3; Hebrews 1:10–12; 12:26–28; and Revelation 21–22 describe a covenantal transition fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, when the old covenant age passed away.

There is a further irony here. Sam Frost has publicly aligned himself with Kenneth Gentry and has defended Joel McDurmon’s partial-preterist exegesis in debate contexts, while Jeremiah Nortier has platformed figures such as Doug Wilson—who takes Isaiah 65–66; Matthew 24:1–25:30; 2 Peter 3; and Revelation 21–22 as fulfilled in AD 70—and Sam Storms, who affirms that Matthew 24:30 was fulfilled in AD 70 and has described our exegesis of “heaven and earth” passing away in Matthew 5:17–18 and Matthew 24:35 as “compelling.” When these admissions are allowed to operate consistently, it becomes evident that the partial-preterist system and the amillennial framework defended by Sam and Jeremiah do not refute the Full Preterist position; they structurally generate it.

This produces an unavoidable logical and soteriological tension—one that surfaced explicitly during the debate itself. When I asked whether Jeremiah believed he was presently in the New Jerusalem, he responded that he “honestly struggled” with the concept. That admission is decisive. A position that is confessedly struggled with cannot simultaneously function as a settled premise from which definitive objections are launched. One cannot treat the New Jerusalem as future for theological safety while treating it as present for polemical leverage at the same time.

The logical problem can be stated plainly.

Syllogism 1: The Cleanliness Objection

Major Premise: Revelation 21:27 states that nothing “unclean” may enter the New Jerusalem.
Minor Premise: Scripture elsewhere affirms that believers continue to sin.
Conclusion (Assumed): Therefore, believers cannot presently be in the New Jerusalem.

At first glance, the syllogism appears sound. The problem is not the premises—it is the unstated assumption governing the conclusion.

This argument only works if “unclean” is silently defined as experiential moral imperfection or ontological sinlessness. But where does the text itself make that definition? Revelation 21:27 nowhere defines “unclean” in those terms. Nor does its Old Testament background support such a reading. Throughout the Law and the Prophets, cleanness and uncleanness function as covenantal and cultic categories tied to temple access, priestly mediation, and covenant standing. Uncleanness barred access; it did not require metaphysical perfection to be removed.

This raises an unavoidable interpretive question that delayed-eschatology systems cannot answer consistently: on what exegetical basis is “unclean” redefined from a covenantal-access category into a metaphysical state of sinlessness—especially when the same interpreters read “highway of holiness,” “Zion,” “city,” “bride,” “gates,” and “tree” symbolically in the very same passage or similar passages?

Once this category error is identified, the objection collapses.

Syllogism 2: The Covenant-Access Reading

Major Premise: In Scripture, cleanness and uncleanness are covenantal and cultic categories tied to access to God’s presence.
Minor Premise: Christ’s finished work grants believers present and bold access to God (Heb. 4:16; 10:19–22 – Jeremiah would affirm this).
Conclusion: Therefore, believers are covenantally clean, even while still struggling with sin.

This is not a novel claim. It is the explicit logic of Hebrews, Romans, Galatians, and the Reformation tradition itself. The believer’s cleanness is grounded in Christ’s righteousness, not moral performance. The appeal to Revelation 21:27, therefore, does not refute present participation in the New Jerusalem; it presupposes it.

Yet the same methodological error resurfaces when the discussion turns to the defeat of “death.”

Syllogism 3: The Biological-Death Assumption

Major Premise: Scripture teaches that “death” is the final enemy to be defeated (1 Cor. 15:26; Rev. 21:4).
Minor Premise: Biological death continues after AD 70.
Conclusion (Assumed): Therefore, death has not yet been defeated and eschatological fulfillment must still be future.

Once again, the premises are granted. The problem lies in the unstated assumption that “death” must be biological.

But Scripture nowhere defines death primarily or only as the cessation of biological life. Adam “died” the day he sinned—yet continued breathing. Israel is described as “dead” while physically alive (Ezek. 37). Jesus declares that believers have already passed from death to life (John 5:24 – Jeremiah would grant this). Paul teaches that believers have already been raised and seated with Christ (Eph. 2:5–6 – Jeremiah would grant this). These are judicial and covenantal realities, not biological events.

This exposes a second interpretive question delayed-eschatology systems cannot answer coherently: why is “death” assumed to be biological in Revelation 21:4, while resurrection, reigning, and life are routinely interpreted as spiritual and covenantal in the same Pauline and Johannine corpus?

Syllogism 4: The Covenant–Judicial Definition of Death

Major Premise: In Scripture, death is a covenantal and judicial condition—alienation from God and condemnation under the law (Gen. 2:17; Eph. 2:1–5; Col. 2:13).
Minor Premise: Christ’s atoning work removes condemnation and restores covenantal life now (John 5:24; Rom. 8:1 – Jeremiah would affirm this).
Conclusion: Therefore, death is defeated when covenantal separation from God is abolished, not when biological mortality ceases.

In both cases—uncleanness and death—fulfillment is postponed only by importing definitions the text itself does not supply.

At this point, a deeper inconsistency within delayed-eschatology systems becomes unavoidable. While rejecting Full Preterism, they nevertheless insist—rightly—that Isaiah 65–66, 2 Peter 3, and Revelation 21–22 all describe a single consummative transition. What they have not explained is how this one agreed-upon consummation can be covenantal and present in its effects, yet indefinitely postponed in its fulfillment. This unresolved tension can be stated syllogistically.

Syllogism 5: The One-Consummation Argument

Major Premise: Isaiah 65–66, 2 Peter 3, and Revelation 21–22 each describe one and the same consummative event—the definitive passing away of the “first” heavens and earth and the arrival of the new – when death is overcome. Classical amillennialism explicitly affirms that these texts refer to a single, unified eschatological consummation, not multiple or recurring fulfillments.  On this point, of a single unified eschatological consummation Full Preterism agrees with classic Reformed amillennialism.

Minor Premise: Isaiah 65–66, 2 Peter 3, and Revelation 21–22 describe the passing away of the old covenant heavens and earth and the establishment of the new covenant world in the events culminating in AD 70, while simultaneously describing the present covenantal and positional realities enjoyed by believers living in the new creation. On this point, Full Preterism stands in agreement with Reformed partial preterism regarding the covenantal nature of the transition and its present soteriological implications.

Conclusion: Therefore, Isaiah 65–66, 2 Peter 3, and Revelation 21–22 describe one consummative covenantal transition, fulfilled in AD 70, marking the definitive passing away of the old covenant world and the arrival of the new covenant world, with enduring soteriological and positional ramifications for believers living in the new creation after AD 70 – including the overcoming of Adamic “death.”

The only way to escape this conclusion is to divide what these texts explicitly unify—affirming one consummation in theory while functionally introducing multiple eschatological horizons in practice. Full Preterism rejects this fragmentation and insists that the one consummative passing away described by Isaiah, Peter, and John occurred where the New Testament consistently places it: in the judgment events surrounding Jerusalem’s fall.

Delayed eschatology cannot account for Revelation 22’s ongoing realities: the nations being healed by the Tree of Life, the Spirit and the Bride continually saying “Come,” and the city’s gates never being shut. These realities are incoherent in a post-historical, static state populated only by the already perfected. They are entirely coherent within a covenantal world inaugurated and consummated in AD 70, within which the gospel continues to advance.

From a Full Preterist—or strictly exegetical—perspective, AD 70 was not a partial or typological fulfillment. It was the Parousia itself: the covenantal coming of the Son of Man in judgment and salvation, as foretold in Daniel 7, Psalm 110, and the Olivet Discourse. It was the moment when the old covenant heavens and earth passed away and the new covenant world was fully established. Consequently, all eschatological promises tied to that transition—including justification, resurrection, covenantal cleansing, and the defeat of death—must be understood as realized realities (a “Tree of Life”) rather than “delayed” or “sick” hopes (cf. Prov. 13:12).

In the sections that follow, I will demonstrate that this reading is not only defensible, but unavoidable. I will trace the Old Testament foundations of covenantal cleanness and access in Isaiah 35 and Isaiah 52; examine Zechariah 14’s extension of holiness to ordinary vessels; integrate Daniel 9:24’s goals of covenantal consummation; and draw together Philippians 3 and Romans 4:24 (Young’s Literal Translation) to show that justification, resurrection-life, and covenantal vindication were understood by the apostles as imminent realities fulfilled in the AD 30–70 transition. I will then return to Revelation 21–22 and 1 Corinthians 15 to show that John and Paul are describing not the end of biological history, but the defeat of Adamic covenantal death and the full establishment of new-covenant access. Taken together, these texts testify with one voice: the New Jerusalem has come, the old covenant world has passed away, and nothing remains that can render God’s people either covenantally unclean or judicially dead.

This study argues that Revelation 21:27 functions not as a moral-ontological description of sinless humanity at the end of world history, but as a covenantal verdict rendered at the consummation of the old covenant age—when access to God was permanently secured and the administration of death was abolished in AD 70.

Section I-A

Reformed Partial Preterist Admissions in Revelation 21–22 That Strengthen the Full Preterist Reading of Revelation 21:27

As noted previously, one of the ironies in the debate over Revelation 21:27 is that some of the strongest pressure against a static, post-historical reading of the New Jerusalem arises not from Full Preterism, but from concessions already made by Reformed Partial Preterists and by the mainstream commentaries they frequently employ. Although Partial Preterists generally stop short of identifying the New Jerusalem as fully consummated in AD 70, they nevertheless acknowledge features within Revelation 21–22 that do not cohere with a timeless, closed, post-history realm populated exclusively by the morally perfected.

These acknowledgments are significant because they compel the interpreter to recognize that John’s vision is not merely describing a future metaphysical condition in which human beings have become incapable of moral failure. Rather, the vision portrays a covenantal–temple reality that governs access to God’s presence, defines the terms of worship, and establishes the identity of God’s people under the new covenant. In this sense, the debate over Revelation 21:27 does not occur in isolation or at the level of abstract anthropology. It must be read within the literary and theological framework of the vision itself—a framework in which the city’s gates stand perpetually open, the nations continue to stream in, the Tree of Life continues to bring healing, the Spirit and the Bride continually issue their invitation, and the prophecy is explicitly declared unsealed because its fulfillment was near. These features are not ornamental or symbolic excesses; they are functional elements that describe how the city operates. Taken together, they substantially corroborate the reading that “unclean” in Revelation 21:27 functions as a covenantal-access designation—describing who may enter on the basis of covenantal standing in Christ—rather than as a statement about a future moral ontology in which access depends upon an intrinsic state of sinless perfection.

Kenneth Gentry, writing from a hyper-creedalist and Partial Preterist perspective, illustrates the tension well as he struggles to explain how believers are presently situated in the New Jerusalem where “death is no more” (Rev. 21:4):

“That “there will no longer be any death” (21:4b) also highlights the eternal life that comes in Christ’s new-covenant redemption, beginning in the first century. As Terry (472) observes, “the New Testament conception of the believer’s life in Christ leaves the matter of death quite out of account.” We see this in Christ’s teaching, especially as preserved for us in John’s writing: Jesus is “the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die” (Jn 6:50). He promises that “if anyone keeps My word he will never see death” (Jn 8:51) and “everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die” (Jn 11:26). John’s understanding of the eternal life that we have now preempts death (Jn 5:24; 6:47, 51, 58; 1Jn 3:14; 5:20).”[1]

The difficulty here—one that both classic Amillennialists and Full Preterists would immediately identify—is that Revelation 21–22 is addressing the eschatological or consummative not yet of New Testament eschatology. While Gentry correctly appeals to Johannine realized-eschatology language, he improperly collapses the consummative framework of Revelation 21 into the pre-AD 70 “already” of the new covenant era.

I have likewise appealed to John 11:25–26 in explaining the AD 70 fulfillment of Revelation 21:4. However, it must be observed that John 11:25–26 explicitly addresses what would occur for both the dead and the living at the time of the resurrection: the dead would be raised, and the living would be granted and would inherit the eschatological not yet of eternal—or spiritual—life at the consummation of the age in AD 70—they “never die” (that is will never be separated from God’s presence). Gentry’s approach, by contrast, requires the construction of two distinct eschatological “already and not yet” frameworks—one spanning AD 30–70 and another extending from AD 70 to the end of world history. This layering of multiple eschatological horizons into Revelation 21:4 and John 11:25–26 is not demanded by the texts themselves, but is instead driven by hyper-creedal commitments rather than by consistent exegesis.

We can observe the same tension—and the same category confusion—when Gentry attempts to explain how believers presently “see God’s face” within the new heavens and new earth or the New Jerusalem:

They will see His face [prosōpon] (22:4a). In the Old Testament, appearing before the face of God (or seeing God or being in his presence) can be an idiom for worship (Ex 23:15, 17; 34:23–24; Dt 16:16; 31:11; Isa 1:12; Psa 42:2). Thus, according to TDNT (7:773), in the LXX “prosōpon (theou) is employed cultically. ‘To see God’s face’ is ‘to visit the cultic site….’ Believers seek the face of the Lord and find it when they attend the temple … (Zech. 8:21 LXX)…. To see the face of God is to be certain of His presence and grace.” John promises that entering into the new Jerusalem is entering into the presence of God and of the Lamb, who are the true temple (21:22). In the new covenant, when we come to know Christ, we see God (Jn 14:7). But “the one who does evil has not seen God” (3 Jn 11; cp. Rev 22:11): they are “outside” (22:15) the city where God dwells (21:3).”[2]

At first glance, Gentry’s observations regarding prosōpon are sound. He correctly recognizes that “seeing God’s face” is covenantal and cultic language, rooted in temple-access and worship rather than in literal visual perception. The difficulty arises not from his lexical work, but from how he subsequently deploys it eschatologically.

Once again, Gentry imports pre–AD 70 “already” passages—such as John 14:7 and 3 John 11—into the explicitly consummative not yet framework of Revelation 21–22. In doing so, he effectively collapses the climactic vision of Revelation into the ordinary, inaugurated experience of the pre-Parousia church. But Revelation 22:4 is not merely describing covenantal knowledge of God as experienced during the transitional period of the new covenant prior to AD 70. It is describing the consummated condition that follows the removal of the old covenant order and the full establishment of God’s dwelling with His people (Rev. 21:1–4).

The contradiction becomes evident when Gentry affirms, on the one hand, that believers already “see God” through knowing Christ (John 14:7), while simultaneously insisting, on the other hand, that Revelation 21–22 describes realities that are still future beyond AD 70. If “seeing God’s face” in Revelation 22:4 is exhausted by pre-Parousia covenantal knowledge, then nothing distinctly consummative remains for the vision to depict. The New Jerusalem is reduced to a restatement of inaugurated soteriology rather than the eschatological goal toward which that soteriology was moving.

By contrast, there is perfect coherence between John and Paul when Revelation 22:4 is read within an AD 70 consummation framework. Paul explicitly teaches that the church, prior to the Parousia, experienced a mediated and partial knowledge of God—“seeing in a mirror dimly”—but “eagerly awaited” a near and imminent transition to a direct, unveiled, and consummated mode of knowing and seeing God “face to face” (1 Cor. 13:8–12). This transformation was tied not to the end of world history, but to the imminent “end of the [old covenant] age” then approaching the Corinthian believers (1 Cor. 1:5–8; 7:29–31; 10:11).

Thus, the “seeing of God’s face” in Revelation 22:4 is not merely covenantal knowledge as such—something believers already possessed prior to AD 70—but the full, unveiled access to God’s presence that arrived when the old covenant temple system was definitively removed and the new covenant order stood alone. Gentry’s attempt to flatten this distinction forces him to create an artificial eschatological layering in which consummative promises are continually deferred, while their language is simultaneously claimed as already fulfilled. This tension is not demanded by the biblical text, but by a hyper-creedal commitment that resists locating the consummation of New Testament eschatology where the apostles themselves repeatedly placed it: within their own generation and at the close of the old covenant age.

  1. The Perpetually Open Gates and Ongoing Ingress

Revelation 21:25 declares that the gates of the New Jerusalem “will never be shut.” Reformed Partial Preterists and many non–Full Preterist commentators frequently interpret this not merely as symbolic security language, but as a picture of openness to ongoing conversion and ingathering. The city’s gates are positioned on every side (Rev. 21:13), emphasizing universal accessibility rather than exclusivist closure.

This concession has direct implications for the interpretation of Revelation 21:27. If the open gates signify ongoing access rather than mere invulnerability, then John’s logic demands a complementary clarification: openness does not entail vulnerability to defilement. That clarification is supplied precisely by 21:27—“nothing unclean… will ever enter it.” The verse does not negate the openness of the city; it defines the terms of entry.

The more Partial Preterists emphasize the evangelistic openness of the gates, the more they reinforce the necessity of reading 21:27 as a covenantal qualification for access rather than as a declaration that no inhabitant of the city can experience remaining moral weakness.

  1. The Spirit-and-the-Bride Invitation and Present-Oriented Grammar

Revelation 22:17 presents the Spirit and the Bride issuing an open summons: “Come.” The invitation is not framed as a retrospective summary of redemptive history, but as an active appeal. John reinforces this with present-oriented participles: “the one hearing,” “the one thirsting,” “the one wishing.” The grammatical force of the passage signals ongoing receptivity and response.

Partial Preterists often acknowledge that this verse functions as a genuine gospel invitation. Yet such an invitation sits uneasily within a strictly post-historical realm in which thirst, need, and response no longer exist. If the city were populated only by the already perfected, the logic of invitation would collapse.

This observation bears directly on Revelation 21:27. If John can simultaneously depict a city in which nothing unclean enters and yet portray a world in which the thirsty still exist and are summoned to come, then “unclean” cannot refer simply to the presence of ongoing human frailty or indwelling sin among believers. Rather, it must refer to covenantal disqualification—remaining outside Christ, outside the cleansing provision of the Lamb, and outside the book of life.

  1. The Healing of the Nations and Ongoing Redemptive Activity

Revelation 22:2 declares that the leaves of the Tree of Life are “for the healing of the nations.” Partial Preterists frequently interpret this language as symbolic of the gospel’s continuing efficacy among the Gentiles. Yet “healing” presupposes need, remedy, and transformation. It presupposes a world still being brought under the life-giving reign of the enthroned Lamb.

This feature of the vision resists reduction to a frozen end-state. The New Jerusalem functions as the locus from which life flows outward into the world, drawing nations from outside to inside, from uncleanness to cleansing. Revelation 21:27 thus serves not to deny ongoing redemptive activity, but to assert that defilement has no governing authority within God’s dwelling. Those who remain unclean remain outside; those who come and wash are granted access.

  1. The Continued Existence of an “Outside” Category

Revelation 22:15 identifies a class of persons who are “outside” the city. While interpreters differ on the precise referents of this list, many Partial Preterists acknowledge that John is maintaining a meaningful inside/outside distinction within the framework of the New Jerusalem vision.

This distinction reinforces the access-based reading of Revelation 21:27. The city is open, the invitation is real, the healing is ongoing—and yet exclusion remains meaningful. The “outside” category supplies the missionary horizon of the city: the Bride invites from within; the thirsty respond from without; entrance is granted by cleansing. Revelation’s logic presupposes covenantal movement, not a closed post-history tableau.

  1. “Do Not Seal” and the First-Century Horizon of Fulfillment

Another admission commonly acknowledged in Partial Preterist circles is the significance of Revelation 22:10: “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.” This command is routinely contrasted with Daniel 12:4, where Daniel is told to seal the vision because its fulfillment lay far in the future.

This contrast functions as an explicit temporal control. John’s prophecy is unsealed precisely because fulfillment is imminent. Whatever else one concludes about Revelation 21–22, the text itself resists relocation to a distant, post-historical future without evacuating John’s time indicators of meaning.

Daniel 12:1-7 and Revelation 20-22 remain an exegetical problem for Partial Preterists and therefore for Reformed theology and eschatology as a whole (of which Sam and Jeremiah embrace).  The opening of Daniel’s sealed prophecy would include the resurrection and opening of the books to be fulfilled when Jerusalem was “completely shattered” in AD 70 which places these end of the millennium events to be fulfilled in AD 70 as well.  To claim the passing of heaven and earth in Revelation 20:11 is the physical planet and end of world history while its passing in Revelation 21:1 is covenantal in AD 70 is pure eisegesis and pandering to hyper-creedalism.

Once Revelation 21–22 is situated within John’s own declared horizon of nearness, it becomes increasingly implausible to interpret the statement that “nothing unclean enters” as a metaphysical description of a sinless realm awaiting the end of world history. John explicitly tells his audience that the vision is unsealed because the covenantal transition it describes was about to occur (Rev. 22:6, 10). An unsealed prophecy, by definition, concerns realities imminent to its original recipients, not conditions deferred for millennia. The New Jerusalem vision, therefore, must be read as describing the imminent removal of the old covenant order and the establishment of a new covenantal world in which access to God is redefined in Christ.

Moreover, the scope of this vision—including Daniel 12:2–7 as it is taken up and developed in Revelation 20:11–22:10—explicitly encompasses the resurrection of both the just and the unjust as an event declared to be “near.” If the resurrection itself belongs to this imminent eschatological horizon, then it cannot be reduced to a postponed biological reanimation at the end of world history. Rather, the resurrection in view is fundamentally spiritual and covenantal in nature: the vindication and raising of the righteous into full covenantal life, and the judicial exposure and condemnation of the wicked at the close of the old covenant age in AD 70. Read in this light, “nothing unclean enters” does not describe an ontological condition of perfected biology, but a covenantal reality—one in which access to God’s presence is decisively limited to those who are in Christ, following the consummation of the old covenant world.

  1. Partial Preterist Appeals to Isaiah 65 and Covenantal New Creation

Reformed Partial Preterists frequently appeal to Isaiah 65–66 as background for Revelation 21–22 and for the “new heavens and new earth” idiom. Yet Isaiah 65 itself contains features—such as longevity, death imagery, and ongoing historical development—that resist interpretation as a timeless, post-history state.

This has led many interpreters to acknowledge that prophetic “new creation” language can function covenantally rather than cosmologically. Once this is granted, Revelation 21:27 naturally follows suit: John is describing a covenantal new creation in which access to God is permanently secured and the mechanisms of defilement belonging to the old covenant world have been removed.

  1. The Internal Logic of Revelation 21:25–27

Finally, the immediate literary structure of Revelation 21:25–27 demands a covenantal-access reading:

  • The gates are perpetually open (21:25).
  • The nations bring their glory into the city (21:24–26).
  • Yet nothing common or unclean enters (21:27).

This triad cannot be sustained on purely ontological categories. It requires a covenantal distinction between open access and qualified entry. The city welcomes the nations, but it does not admit defilement. Entry is real; exclusion is real; cleansing is decisive.

Partial Preterists may hesitate to follow this logic all the way to an AD 70 consummation. Yet their own admissions—open gates, ongoing invitation, healing for the nations, an unsealed prophecy, and covenantal new-creation language—substantially reinforce the Full Preterist claim that Revelation 21:27 concerns covenantal status and access, not a future metaphysical condition of sinless perfection with another un-biblical “already and not yet” eschaton read into the text.

Once these admissions are granted, the central question is no longer whether Christians still struggle with sin. The question becomes what “unclean” means within its prophetic, temple-oriented framework. That question leads directly to the Reformed category already designed to resolve it: simul iustus et peccator—and why “unclean” in Revelation 21:27 must be understood as an access term.

Section II

Simul Iustus et Peccator, Covenant Cleanness, and Why “Unclean” Is an Access Term

As discussed previously, the perceived tension between Revelation 21:27 and present Christian experience rests almost entirely on a category mistake. The objection assumes that “unclean” must refer to the ongoing moral imperfections of believers and that, therefore, the New Jerusalem must await a future ontological transformation in which sin is eradicated. Yet this assumption does not arise from Scripture itself. It arises from importing post-biblical moral-ontological categories into texts that are fundamentally covenantal, cultic, and temple-oriented.

At its best, Reformed theology already supplies the conceptual tools needed to resolve this tension. Martin Luther’s formulation simul iustus et peccator—that the believer is simultaneously righteous and sinful—was not an ad hoc attempt to reconcile contradictory biblical claims. It was a careful articulation of the Pauline doctrine of justification. The believer is righteous coram Deo by virtue of Christ’s imputed righteousness and yet remains sinful in se so long as he inhabits mortal flesh. Crucially, Luther never framed this condition as a temporary contradiction awaiting resolution at the end of world history. It was presented as the normative condition of the Christian life under the gospel.

Luther states this explicitly in his 1535 Lectures on Galatians:

“The saints in being righteous are at the same time sinners; they are righteous because they believe in Christ whose righteousness covers them and is imputed to them, but they are sinners because they do not fulfill the law and are not without sinful desires.”[3]

What is decisive here is that Luther does not define righteousness—or cleanness—in experiential terms. Righteousness is forensic, declarative, and covenantal. Sin, by contrast, remains experiential and internal. This distinction must govern how eschatological texts are read.

  1. Uncleanness in Scripture Is Cultic and Covenantal, Not Moral Ontology

When Scripture speaks of “uncleanness” in connection with access to God’s dwelling, it is not addressing the inner moral struggles of the regenerate. It is addressing the covenantal conditions that permit or forbid approach to sacred space. Under the Mosaic law, uncleanness was not synonymous with personal immorality. One could be rendered unclean through contact with a corpse, childbirth, or bodily conditions entirely unrelated to ethical failure. Uncleanness functioned as a cultic status, not a moral verdict.

This is precisely the category that dominates Isaiah’s Zion prophecies, Hebrews’ access language, and John’s New Jerusalem vision. The question is not whether the inhabitants of God’s dwelling ever sin. The question is whether anything remains that can bar their covenantal admission to God’s presence.

Reformed theology consistently answers: no.

Hebrews 10:22 exhorts believers in the present tense:

“Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience.”

John Calvin underscores this point with striking clarity:

“The conscience being once purified, there is no reason why we should fear to approach God.”³

Access language is central. The conscience is cleansed so that approach is no longer forbidden. The cultic barrier has been removed and would be completely removed at Christ’s “in a very, very, little while coming” in AD 70 (Heb. 10:22-37).

  1. Matthew 13:39–43 and the Covenantal Meaning of “Lawlessness”

In our debate, Sam Frost appealed to Matthew 13:39–43 in support of Jeremiah’s claim that the New Jerusalem must await the end of world history. Jesus states that at “the end of the age” the angels will “gather out of His kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers” (Matt. 13:41). On a surface reading, this language can sound like a universal purgation of evil at the close of cosmic history. Yet this assumption collapses once Matthew’s covenantal framework is allowed to govern the interpretation.

First, the phrase “the end of the age” (συντέλεια τοῦ αἰῶνος) in Matthew does not refer to the termination of the physical cosmos. It refers to the consummation of an age defined by covenantal administration. This is decisively confirmed by Matthew 24:3, where the disciples explicitly associate “the end of the age” with the destruction of the temple—an association Jesus not only fails to correct, but proceeds to expound in detail throughout the Olivet Discourse. At no point does Jesus redirect their question toward the end of world history. Notably, this exegetical control text (Matt. 24:3) was neither addressed nor refuted by Jeremiah nor Sam during the debate.

Second, the removal described in Matthew 13:41 is not a removal of people from the planet earth, but a removal of persons “out of His kingdom.” The kingdom in Matthew’s Gospel is already present, already operative, and already populated (Matt. 3:2; 4:17; 12:28; 13:24–38). What is removed at the “end of the age” are not all sinners everywhere, but covenantally disqualified claimants—those who, while identifying themselves with the covenant community, are exposed as “lawless” and therefore unfit for kingdom participation. The issue is not abstract morality, but covenant fidelity.

This reading is explicitly acknowledged by Partial Preterist Joel McDurmon. In his treatment of Matthew 13:24–30, 36–43, he writes:

“It is clear that Jesus did not have in mind the end of the world, nor did He mean the final judgment. Rather, Matthew 13:24–30, 36–43 describe the judgment that would come upon unbelieving Jerusalem (in AD 70).”

McDurmon further observes that many of these lawless claimants “were literally burned in fire during the destruction of Jerusalem,” while the faithful were preserved. Whatever differences remain between Partial and Full Preterist conclusions, this admission is decisive: Matthew 13 does not teach the end of world history. It teaches the covenantal judgment that accompanied the passing away of the old covenant age.

There is a certain irony here. Sam Frost has publicly attempted to assist Joel McDurmon in debates against Don Preston and Full Preterism. Yet when their respective positions are placed side by side, they do not refute Full Preterism—they logically generate it.

Syllogism One

Major Premise (Sam Frost – Amillennialism):
The “end of the age” resurrection in Matthew 13:39–43 is the consummative resurrection of Daniel 12:2–4.

Minor Premise (Joel McDurmon – Partial Preterism):
The “end of the age” in Matthew 13:39–43 refers to the old covenant age that passed away in AD 70.

Conclusion (Full Preterism):
The consummative “end of the age” resurrection of Matthew 13:39–43 / Daniel 12:2–4 was fulfilled spiritually in AD 70.

This same conclusion is reinforced—perhaps unintentionally—by Kenneth Gentry, a close associate of Sam Frost, who explicitly interprets the resurrection of Daniel 12:2–3 as spiritually fulfilled in AD 70.

Syllogism Two

Major Premise (Sam Frost – Amillennialism):
The one “end of the age” resurrection of Matthew 13:39–43 is the consummative resurrection of Daniel 12:2–3.

Minor Premise (Kenneth Gentry – Partial Preterism):
The resurrection of Daniel 12:2–3 was fulfilled spiritually in AD 70.

Conclusion (Full Preterism):
The “end of the age” resurrection of Matthew 13:39–43 is the consummative, spiritual resurrection of Daniel 12:2–3 that was fulfilled in AD 70.

Once the shared premises are allowed to stand, the Full Preterist conclusion follows inexorably. The disagreement, therefore, is not over the identity of the resurrection, nor over the timing of the age that ended, but over whether one is willing to follow the logic of those premises to their necessary conclusion.

  1. Matthew 13 and Matthew 23: Covenantal Lawlessness Exposed

The identity of the “law-breakers” in Matthew 13 is clarified decisively by Matthew 23. There Jesus indicts Israel’s leadership as:

  • sitting on Moses’ seat (23:2),
  • shutting the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces (23:13),
  • appearing righteous outwardly while being “full of hypocrisy and lawlessness” (23:28).

This is covenantal lawlessness, not generic immorality. It is lawlessness within the covenant—leaders who claim covenant authority while rejecting the Messiah. Thus, when Matthew 13 speaks of law-breakers being removed “out of His kingdom,” it describes the purging of the old covenant administration at the close of the age, not the eradication of all moral failure from humanity.

  1. Clean and Unclean Reversed: From Mosaic Boundaries to Gospel Access

This covenantal reading of Matthew 13 aligns seamlessly with the clean/unclean reversal in Acts 10–11. Under the Mosaic system, covenantal cleanness was regulated by ritual, ethnicity, and temple mediation. By the time of Jesus, these categories had become instruments of exclusion.

In Peter’s vision, God declares formerly “common” and “unclean” Gentiles to be clean, while transferring uncleanness to those who reject the gospel. Cleanness is no longer determined by ceremonial status but by union with Christ.

Matthew 13 depicts the same transition from the opposite angle. As the old covenant age ends, those who claimed to be clean are revealed as the true sources of defilement, while those united to Christ are gathered and preserved. Uncleanness is not eradicated as a human experience; it is abolished as a covenantal jurisdiction.

  1. “All Will Know the Lord”: Why the New Jerusalem Contains Only the Clean

A final clarification is necessary. When Scripture declares that “nothing unclean will ever enter” the New Jerusalem, it is also positively describing the constitution of the new covenant community itself.

Unlike the Mosaic covenant, the new covenant is not a mixed community composed of regenerate and unregenerate members alike. Jeremiah 31:31–34 explicitly contrasts the two covenants on this point:

“They shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest… for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

This promise is not deferred to the end of world history. It is the defining feature of the new covenant as such. Membership in the new covenant is coextensive with saving knowledge of God and forgiveness of sins. One does not enter the new covenant by birth, ethnicity, or ceremonial inclusion, but by faith.

This distinction is decisive for Revelation 21:27. The New Jerusalem contains only the “clean” not because its inhabitants have transcended all moral struggle, but because the covenant itself admits only believers. There is no covenantal category for an unregenerate member of the new covenant—and therefore no covenantal category for “unclean” persons within the New Jerusalem.

  1. Why Revelation 21:27 Fits This Framework Exactly

Once these covenantal distinctions are recognized, Revelation 21:27 ceases to be problematic. John is not declaring that no inhabitant of the New Jerusalem ever sins. He is declaring that nothing remains that can render God’s people covenantally unclean. The administration of death of the law that defined uncleanness has expired. The temple system that regulated access has been dismantled. The kingdom has been cleansed of its defiling administration.

Revelation 21:27, therefore, functions in the same covenantal category as Matthew 13:41. Both texts announce the end of an age, the removal of covenantal defilement, and the permanence of access under the new covenant.

Section III

The Highway of Holiness, Redeemed Zion, and the Appointed Time of Fulfillment

Isaiah 35 → Isaiah 52 → Isaiah 55 → Isaiah 60 → Daniel 12 → Isaiah 65–66 → Revelation 21–22

With the covenantal framework now established—uncleanness as an access category, the New Covenant community as coextensive with believers, and the Old Covenant administration decisively removed—we are prepared to examine the Old Testament foundation that governs John’s declaration that “nothing unclean will ever enter” the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:27). That foundation is laid progressively in Isaiah 35, 52, 55, and 60, structured temporally by Daniel 12, reaches its climactic expression in Isaiah 65–66, and is consciously developed by John in Revelation 21–22. These texts do not anticipate a metaphysically sinless realm at the end of world history. Rather, they announce a covenantal transition of access that would occur at an appointed time (kairos), would unfold quickly, and would mark the definitive removal of the old covenant order.

Isaiah 35: The Way of Holiness and Covenant-Regulated Access

Isaiah 35 is set within an eschatological restoration context following covenantal judgment. The wilderness rejoices, the desert blossoms, and the glory of Lebanon is bestowed upon what was formerly barren (Isa. 35:1–2). These are covenantal—not geographic—images. What had been placed under curse is restored through redemption.

At the center of this restoration stands the issue of access:

“And a highway shall be there, and it shall be called the Way of Holiness;
the unclean shall not pass over it…
but the redeemed shall walk there.” (Isa. 35:8–9)

The Way of Holiness is divinely provided—“a highway shall be there.” Those who walk upon it do so because they have been redeemed, not because they have achieved moral perfection. Verse 10 identifies them explicitly as “the ransomed of the LORD.”

Here “unclean” functions cultically and covenantally. Uncleanness restricts access to sacred space; it does not describe regenerate believers struggling with sin. Isaiah’s concern is not moral ontology but covenantal qualification.

Isaiah 52: Redeemed Zion and Permanent Covenant Cleansing

Isaiah 52 advances from the way to the city:

“Awake, awake; put on your strength, O Zion…
for there shall no more come into you
the uncircumcised and the unclean.” (Isa. 52:1)

Zion is declared permanently holy—not because its inhabitants are ontologically sinless, but because redemption has altered the covenantal conditions of access. The holiness is judicial and declarative.

The basis is grace: “You were sold for nothing, and you shall be redeemed without money” (Isa. 52:3). Verses 7–8 announce the proclamation of God’s reign and the moment when the watchmen “see eye to eye”—face to face—as the LORD returns to Zion. This anticipates Paul’s mirror-to-face transition (1 Cor. 13:10–12) and John’s declaration that God’s servants “will see His face” (Rev. 22:4). In each case, the language is covenantal and eschatological—not postponed to world history’s end.

Isaiah 52:15 explains how access is universalized: “He shall sprinkle many nations.” Paul interprets this as spiritual circumcision and baptism in Christ (Col. 2:11–12). To lack this circumcision is to remain “unclean”—not morally imperfect, but covenantally excluded.

Isaiah 55: Free Gospel Invitation within Redeemed Zion

Following Zion’s cleansing, Isaiah issues an open invitation:

“Come, everyone who thirsts, come to the waters… without money and without price.” (Isa. 55:1)

The same Zion that excludes the unclean freely invites the thirsty. There is no contradiction because exclusion and invitation operate on different covenantal axes. This invitation stands directly behind Jesus’ words in John 7:37–39 and the climactic call of Revelation 22:17.

Isaiah 60 (OG LXX): The Open City and the Appointed Kairos

Isaiah 60 presents Zion as radiant and open: the nations walk in her light, kings bring their glory, and the gates are never shut (Isa. 60:3, 11). This is covenantal holiness coexisting with ongoing ingathering.

Crucially, Isaiah 60 also supplies the time framework for this reality. Isaiah 60:22 in the Old Greek (LXX) states:

“ἐγὼ κύριος, ἐν τῷ καιρῷ ποιήσω ταχέως.”
“I am the LORD; in the appointed time (kairos) I will do it quickly (tacheōs).”

The fulfillment of Zion’s glory is tied to a fixed covenantal kairos. When that time arrives, fulfillment will occur quickly. This language anticipates imminence once the divinely appointed moment is reached.

Daniel 12: The Sealed Kairos, Resurrection, and Imminent Completion

Daniel 12 provides the chronological structure governing Isaiah’s promise. Daniel is told:

“Seal up the book until the time (kairos) of the end.” (Dan. 12:4 LXX)

The chapter then explicitly connects this kairos with resurrection, judgment, and covenantal vindication (Dan. 12:2–3). Importantly, Daniel is later told that when this time arrives, fulfillment will not be delayed:

“For the words are closed up and sealed until the time (kairos) of the end.” (Dan. 12:9)

Daniel’s vision is sealed, not because fulfillment is distant indefinitely, but because it awaits the appointed covenantal moment.

This is decisive when compared with Revelation.

Revelation 21–22: The Kairos Has Arrived—The Prophecy Is Unsealed

John explicitly reverses Daniel’s command:

“Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time (kairos) is near.” (Rev. 22:10)

The contrast is deliberate:

  • Daniel 12: seal the vision → kairos not yet
  • Isaiah 60: appointed kairos → fulfillment quickly
  • Revelation 22: kairos near → prophecy unsealed

John is announcing that Daniel’s sealed kairos and Isaiah’s appointed kairos have arrived. What Isaiah said would happen tacheōs when the time came, John now declares to be imminent.

This explains why Revelation 21–22 mirrors Isaiah 60 so precisely:

Isaiah 60 Revelation 21–22
Nations walk in Zion’s light (60:3) Nations walk by the city’s light (21:24)
Kings bring glory (60:3, 11) Kings bring glory (21:24, 26)
Gates never shut (60:11) Gates never shut (21:25)
Appointed kairos, fulfilled quickly (60:22 LXX) Kairos near, prophecy unsealed (22:10)

A vision declared unsealed because the kairos is near cannot coherently describe conditions postponed to the end of world history.

New Testament Confirmation and the Modern Impasse

The New Testament affirms that these Isaianic–Danielic realities were already being fulfilled spiritually and covenantally in the first century (Matt. 11:5; Acts 9:2; Rom. 10:15; Eph. 2:11–22; 2 Cor. 5:17), while locating their consummation at the imminent close of the old covenant age (1 Cor. 7:29–31; 10:11).

This explains a revealing moment in our debate. When asked whether he could affirm present membership in the New Jerusalem, Jeremiah honestly struggled. That struggle was not rhetorical—it was theological. If Isaiah’s Zion promises are already fulfilled covenantally, yet Revelation 21–22 is postponed, the New Jerusalem becomes both real and inaccessible. Covenant assurance is displaced into the future.

Syllogistic Conclusions

Syllogism One – Kairos Fulfillment
Major Premise: Isaiah 60 and Daniel 12 locate Zion’s fulfillment at an appointed kairos.
Minor Premise: Revelation 22 declares that kairos to be near and the prophecy unsealed.
Conclusion: Therefore, Zion’s access reality and resurrection were fulfilled at the close of the old covenant age.

Syllogism Two – Nature of the New Jerusalem
Major Premise: Revelation 21–22 develops Isaiah 35–60 within Daniel’s kairos framework.
Minor Premise: Those texts describe covenantal access, not metaphysical perfection.
Conclusion: Therefore, “nothing unclean enters” refers to covenantal exclusion, not moral ontology.

Conclusion

The highway of holiness and the holy city converge in a single covenantal reality fulfilled at the appointed time. The redeemed walk the way because they have been cleansed, and they dwell in Zion because access has been permanently secured.

Isaiah said it would happen quickly when the kairos came.
Daniel said the vision would be sealed until that kairos.
John said the kairos was near—and the vision unsealed.

The New Jerusalem stands as the fulfilled covenantal dwelling of God with His people.

Section IV

Zechariah 14:20–21, Holy Vessels, and the Collapse of the Sacred–Profane Distinction

If Isaiah 35, 52, 55, and 60 establish the covenantal logic of access and exclusion, Zechariah 14 presses that logic to its furthest prophetic conclusion. Here the issue is no longer merely who may enter Zion, but whether the categories of “holy” and “common” that once governed temple access continue to exist at all. Zechariah’s answer is decisive: in the eschatological restoration of Jerusalem, holiness becomes comprehensive, extending not only to persons but to vessels, implements, and the ordinary objects of daily life. What Isaiah anticipates in terms of access, Zechariah completes in terms of cultic reclassification.

Zechariah 14:20–21 declares:

“On that day there shall be inscribed on the bells of the horses, ‘Holy to the LORD.’ And the pots in the house of the LORD shall be as the bowls before the altar. And every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holy to the LORD of hosts, so that all who sacrifice may come and take of them and boil the meat of the sacrifice in them. And there shall no longer be a Canaanite [the “unclean”] in the house of the LORD of hosts on that day.”

Several features of this text demand careful attention.

First, Zechariah deliberately invokes the priestly inscription “Holy to YHWH” (קֹדֶשׁ לַיהוָה), which under the Mosaic law was reserved exclusively for the high priest’s forehead (Exod. 28:36–38). In Zechariah’s vision, that inscription appears not on a priest but on the bells of horses—objects associated with transport, labor, and even warfare. The symbolism is unmistakable: what was once restricted to the most sacred person and space has now been extended to the most ordinary elements of life. Holiness is no longer localized; it is universalized in the new covenant.

Second, the prophet collapses the cultic hierarchy of vessels. Under the Mosaic system, altar bowls represented the highest degree of sanctity, while common pots were excluded from sacrificial use. Zechariah announces first that “the pots in the house of the LORD shall be as the bowls before the altar,” and then intensifies the claim: “every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holy to the LORD.” The distinction between sacred and common is not merely blurred; it is abolished by elevation. Holiness expands upward until nothing remains outside its scope.

Third, the closing line—“there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD”—must be understood covenantally rather than ethnically. Throughout the prophetic corpus, “Canaanite” functions typologically as a designation for those who profane sacred space through idolatry, exploitation, or covenantal infidelity (cf. Hos. 12:7; Zeph. 1:11). The point is not racial exclusion, but the permanent removal of profanation from God’s dwelling. No agent of defilement remains because the system that defined and produced defilement has been removed.

Crucially, Zechariah does not present this transformation as a slow moral progression or an indefinitely postponed hope. It occurs “on that day”—a decisive eschatological moment. In light of Section III, this temporal marker must be read alongside Isaiah’s “appointed time” (kairos) and Daniel’s “time of the end.” Zechariah’s “that day” belongs to the same covenantal timetable. Isaiah 60:22 (OG LXX) declares that when the appointed kairos arrives, the fulfillment will occur quickly (tacheōs). Daniel 12 reveals that this kairos was sealed until the end. Revelation then announces that the kairos is “near” and the prophecy unsealed (Rev. 22:10). Zechariah’s vision, therefore, does not float in an undefined future. It describes the same covenantal transition that Isaiah and Daniel locate at a fixed and imminent eschatological moment.

Reformed theology has historically recognized this covenantal significance. John Calvin explicitly rejects any interpretation of Zechariah 14 that would reinstate ceremonial distinctions or predict a future return to ritual purity laws. Commenting on Zechariah 14:20–21, Calvin “Under these words the Prophet includes the whole life of men, so that nothing may be done which is not referred to the worship of God.”

Calvin’s observation is decisive for two reasons. First, he understands Zechariah’s language symbolically and covenantally rather than literally or futuristically. Second, he applies the prophecy to the present life of believers under the gospel, not to a distant post-historical age. Holiness, for Calvin, has become comprehensive precisely because the gospel has abolished the old cultic boundaries.

  1. Palmer Robertson reaches the same conclusion when he observes, “The prophecy envisions a time when the distinction between sacred and secular is removed because all of life is consecrated to the Lord.”²

Once again, the issue is not moral perfection but covenantal reclassification. The world itself becomes temple-space because redemption has removed the barriers that once restricted holiness to specific locations, objects, and persons.

The New Testament explicitly affirms that this Zecharian collapse of the sacred–profane distinction was already underway within the apostolic era. Peter describes believers as “living stones” being built into a spiritual house and a “holy priesthood” (1 Pet. 2:5), language that presupposes the transfer of holiness from cultic objects to the covenant community itself. Paul likewise declares that “everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer” (1 Tim. 4:4–5). Such statements would be unintelligible if the old cultic boundaries still governed holiness.

Most decisively, the writer of Hebrews announces that believers were already coming to “Mount Zion… and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem” (Heb. 12:22–24). This affirmation presupposes that the structures regulating access to God’s dwelling have already collapsed. Zechariah’s vision of comprehensive holiness is not postponed; it is assumed.

This has direct bearing on Revelation 21:27. When John declares that “nothing common” (οὐδὲ κοινόν) will enter the New Jerusalem, he is employing the same cultic vocabulary Zechariah dismantles. The Greek term koinos is the standard Septuagintal designation for what is profane or unsanctified in contrast to what is holy. John’s declaration is not that no one who ever sins is present, but that nothing remains that can be classified as cultically profane within God’s dwelling.

Read in light of Isaiah 35–60 and Daniel 12, Zechariah 14 supplies the missing cultic logic behind Revelation 21:27. If holiness has become comprehensive, if the sacred–profane distinction has collapsed upward, and if the appointed kairos has arrived, then “nothing common” can enter the city—not because the inhabitants are morally flawless, but because nothing remains that can be defined as defiling within the covenantal order.

This also explains why Zechariah’s vision supports ongoing invitation rather than exclusion. “All who sacrifice may come and take of them” (Zech. 14:21). Access is expanded, not restricted. The abolition of profanation does not close the city; it opens it. This is precisely what Revelation 21–22 depicts: gates never shut, nations streaming in, healing continually administered, and the Spirit and Bride perpetually calling the thirsty to come.

Thus, Zechariah 14 does not merely anticipate Revelation 21—it interprets it. The holiness of the New Jerusalem is not the result of a future ontological upgrade, but the fruit of a completed covenantal transition. The sacred–profane distinction has collapsed—not downward into permissiveness, but upward into universal consecration. The entire city has become the Most Holy Place.

Section V

Daniel 9:24–27, the Appointed Kairos, and the Anointing of the New Covenant Most Holy Place

Any discussion of covenantal cleanness, access, and the New Jerusalem that fails to reckon seriously with Daniel 9:24–27 is fundamentally incomplete. Daniel 9 is not a peripheral prophecy; it is the chronological and theological backbone of New Testament eschatology. It supplies the temporal framework within which Isaiah’s redeemed Zion, Zechariah’s comprehensive holiness, Paul’s doctrine of justification, and John’s vision of the New Jerusalem all find coherence and fulfillment.

Daniel 9:24 declares:

“Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal vision and prophet,
and to anoint the Most Holy.”

Several features of this prophecy must be emphasized at the outset.

First, the scope is explicitly limited: “your people and your holy city.” Daniel is not given a vision of the end of world history or the dissolution of the physical cosmos. He is given a prophecy concerning Israel and Jerusalem. Whatever fulfillment Daniel 9 envisions must therefore terminate within that covenantal and geographical framework.

Second, the prophecy is chronologically fixed. The seventy weeks (seventy sevens, or 490 years) constitute a determined period, not an elastic symbol. The six objectives of verse 24 are not ideals indefinitely postponed into the future; they are covenantal goals to be accomplished within the allotted redemptive-historical timeframe.

Third, the six infinitival clauses describe covenantal transformations, not abstract moral improvements.

“To finish the transgression” and “to make an end of sins” refer to the filling up and termination of Israel’s covenantal rebellion—the point at which the old covenant reaches its climax and is brought to judgment (cf. Matt. 23:32–36). Transgression is “finished” when the covenant that defined it is removed.

“To make atonement for iniquity” points directly to the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ. Yet Hebrews makes clear that while atonement was accomplished at the cross, the old covenant cultus that opposed and obscured that atonement remained standing until it was finally removed (Heb. 9:8–10; 10:11–14). The atonement is covenantally vindicated when the temple system is destroyed.

“To bring in everlasting righteousness” does not describe moral sinlessness, but the establishment of a permanent covenantal order—one no longer subject to Mosaic accusation or provisional status. Paul repeatedly locates this transition within his own generation, describing salvation as “nearer now than when we first believed” (Rom. 13:11) and Christ’s coming as imminent (1 Cor. 1:7–8).

“To seal vision and prophet” does not mean to authenticate, but to bring to completion. Vision and prophecy are sealed when the covenantal system that required them reaches its terminus. This directly anticipates the contrast later made explicit between Daniel and Revelation: Daniel is commanded to seal his vision because the appointed time was not yet (Dan. 12:4), while John is commanded not to seal his prophecy because “the time (kairos) is near” (Rev. 22:10).

The temporal precision of Daniel 9, however, does not end with verse 24.

In Daniel 9:26–27, the Old Greek (LXX) introduces the language of appointed time (kairos) into the prophecy itself. After describing the cutting off of the Messiah and the destruction of the city and sanctuary, the LXX states that desolation and judgment continue “until the appointed time” (ἕως καιροῦ), and that covenantal resolution occurs within that divinely fixed period.

This is crucial. Daniel 9 does not envision an indefinite postponement following the Messiah’s death. It locates the destruction of Jerusalem, the end of sacrifice, and the sealing of covenantal rebellion within a defined kairos—a fixed, appointed time of judgment and transition. This kairos corresponds directly to:

  • Isaiah 60:22 (OG LXX): “In the appointed time (kairos) I will do it quickly (tacheōs).”
  • Daniel 12: the vision sealed until the time (kairos) of the end.
  • Revelation 22:10: “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time (kairos) is near.”

John is not introducing a new chronological category. He is announcing that Daniel’s sealed kairos and Isaiah’s appointed kairos have arrived. What Daniel said would continue until the appointed time, John now declares to be near. The covenantal countdown has reached its terminus.

This brings us to the final clause of Daniel 9:24: “to anoint the Most Holy.” This language is cultic and architectural, not personal. Throughout the Old Testament, the “Most Holy” refers to sacred space—the inner sanctuary, the dwelling-place of God (cf. Exod. 30:26–29; 1 Kgs. 6:20). Daniel’s prophecy anticipates the consecration of a new covenant Most Holy Place that supersedes the old.

Revelation 21 makes this explicit. The New Jerusalem is described as a perfect cube—its length, width, and height equal (Rev. 21:16). This is an unmistakable allusion to the cubic Most Holy Place of Solomon’s temple. The symbolism is deliberate and decisive: the New Jerusalem is the anointed Most Holy Place anticipated in Daniel 9.

When Jerusalem and its temple were destroyed in AD 70, the old covenant holy place was removed, and the true sanctuary—the dwelling of God with His people—was publicly unveiled. Hebrews confirms this reality by declaring that believers have already come to “Mount Zion… the heavenly Jerusalem” (Heb. 12:22–24). The anointing of the Most Holy Place is therefore not postponed to the end of world history; it is realized in the establishment of the new covenant order.

This has direct implications for covenantal cleanness. Under the old covenant, access to the Most Holy Place was restricted precisely because uncleanness persisted. Under the new covenant, the Most Holy Place is no longer guarded by layers of exclusion. The city itself is the Most Holy Place, and nothing unclean can enter—not because believers have achieved moral perfection, but because the covenantal system that produced uncleanness has been terminated at the appointed kairos.

Reformed Partial Preterists frequently acknowledge that Daniel 9 reaches its terminus in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and that its objectives are covenantally fulfilled at that time. Yet many hesitate to allow Daniel 9:24–27 to govern their reading of Revelation 21–22. Full Preterism simply insists on consistency: if the seventy weeks conclude in AD 70, if the appointed kairos arrives at that point, and if one of the stated purposes is the anointing of the Most Holy, then the New Jerusalem must be a present covenantal reality, not a deferred eschatological hope.

Daniel 9:24–27 therefore supplies the missing chronological anchor. Isaiah announces the cleansing of Zion, Zechariah extends holiness to all vessels, Daniel fixes the appointed kairos, and John announces that the kairos is near and the prophecy unsealed. The transformation occurs at the end of the seventy weeks, the judgment of Jerusalem, and the consummation of the old covenant age in AD 70.

Only when Daniel 9 is allowed to function as the backbone of biblical eschatology do the New Testament’s claims about cleanness, access, and the New Jerusalem cohere without contradiction.

Section VI

Resurrection, Justification, and Covenant Vindication in Paul: Philippians 3, Romans 4–6, and the AD 30–70 Transitional Period

The covenantal logic that governs Revelation 21:27 does not originate with John. It is already deeply embedded in Paul’s theology of justification, union with Christ, resurrection, and eschatological vindication. Yet this Pauline framework is routinely flattened by delayed-eschatology readings that abstract “resurrection” and “death” from their redemptive-historical setting and relocate them to the end of world history. When Paul is read within his own horizon—an era he repeatedly presents as standing at the threshold of consummation—the coherence between Daniel 9, Isaiah’s redeemed Zion, Zechariah’s universal holiness, and John’s New Jerusalem becomes unmistakable.

This horizon must also be read in light of Daniel’s prophetic timetable and its “appointed time” (kairos), which Paul explicitly understands to be rapidly approaching its terminus within his own ministry. Paul’s eschatology is not merely imminent in tone; it is chronologically tethered to Israel’s covenantal consummation.

  1. Paul’s Eschatology Is Transitional, Not Indefinite

Paul does not write as someone anticipating an open-ended, multi-millennial postponement of Israel’s covenantal consummation. He writes as one who believes the decisive turning of the ages is imminent. This conviction is not incidental; it is programmatic.

Paul repeatedly situates himself and his readers at the close of an era:

  • “The ends of the ages have come upon us” (1 Cor. 10:11).
  • “Now is our salvation nearer than when we believed” (Rom. 13:11).
  • “The form of this world is passing away” (1 Cor. 7:31).
  • The church awaits Christ’s revelation within its own generational horizon (1 Cor. 1:7–8).

Most decisively, Paul explicitly frames this period in terms of compressed time: “This I say, brothers: the appointed time (kairos) has grown short” (1 Cor. 7:29). Paul does not merely assert that history always feels urgent for believers. He declares that a specific, divinely appointed kairos—the same covenantal appointed time announced in Daniel 9:26–27 and Daniel 12:4 (LXX)—has entered its final contraction.

These statements are not rhetorical flourishes. They reflect a coherent covenantal worldview in which Israel’s story—promised in the Law and the Prophets—is reaching its ordained terminus. Paul’s doctrine of resurrection must therefore be read within this same transitional horizon.

  1. Philippians 3 and the Covenant Meaning of “Resurrection”

Philippians 3 is often treated as a timeless devotional passage about personal sanctification. In reality, it is a polemical covenantal text aimed directly at the old covenant system that still claimed authority in Paul’s day.

Paul begins by cataloging his former covenantal credentials: circumcision, tribal identity, Torah observance, and Pharisaic zeal (Phil. 3:4–6). These are not merely autobiographical details; they are markers of covenant standing under the Mosaic order. Paul then declares that he has counted all of these as loss “because of Christ” (3:7–8). What is at stake is not personal humility, but covenantal transfer.

Paul’s goal is explicit:

  • “to be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ” (3:9),
  • “that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection” (3:10),
  • “if somehow I may attain to the resurrection from the dead” (3:11).

Delayed eschatology instinctively treats this as a future biological event at the end of world history. But that answer does not fit Paul’s argument. Paul is contrasting two covenantal modes of existence: life “in Adam” under the condemnation and boundary-markers of the old order, and life “in Christ” under the gospel. Resurrection, here, functions as the covenantal passage from one realm to the other—an entrance into a new status of righteousness and life.

This is confirmed by Paul’s use of resurrection language elsewhere. In Romans 6, believers are described as participating in Christ’s death and resurrection. In Ephesians 2:6, they are already raised and seated with Him in the heavenly places. Resurrection is not merely an event awaited; it is a covenantal reality entered—yet one that, in Paul’s day, still awaited public vindication over against the continuing claims of the old covenant world.

Paul speaks of “attaining” resurrection because, in his historical moment, the old covenant order still publicly stood. The temple still functioned. The Law still prosecuted its case. Israel’s covenantal trial was still underway. Resurrection-life had been inaugurated in Christ but not yet publicly manifested as the only covenantal order remaining. Paul lives and ministers in the overlap.

Philippians 3 therefore reflects the same transitional tension found in Hebrews: access is real, righteousness is real, resurrection-life is real—yet the old world that denied and contested these realities had not yet been decisively judged. That judgment would come with the destruction of Jerusalem.

  1. Romans 4:24–25 and Resurrection as Justifying Vindication

Romans 4 is decisive for seeing how Paul binds resurrection and justification together. Paul argues that Abraham’s faith was credited as righteousness not merely for Abraham’s sake, “but also for us” (Rom. 4:23–24). The logic is corporate and covenantal.

Romans 4:24–25 states that righteousness will be credited to those “who believe on Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered because of our offenses and raised because of our justification.”

Here resurrection is not merely proof of Jesus’ identity or a guarantee of individual afterlife. It is the divine verdict that His atoning work has been accepted. Resurrection is forensic. It is covenantal vindication. God’s raising of Christ is God’s public “Amen” to the righteousness accomplished by Christ in His representative work.

Crucially, in Romans 4:24 Paul employs the verb μέλλω (“about to be”) to describe the reckoning of righteousness. Righteousness was truly possessed by faith, yet it was about to be publicly reckoned and vindicated within Paul’s eschatological horizon. The resurrection-verdict had been rendered, but its full covenantal enforcement awaited the imminent collapse of the old covenant world.

During the AD 30–70 period, therefore, this verdict existed in tension with the continuing public presence of the old covenant system. The Law continued to accuse. The temple continued to stand as a rival witness. The resurrection-verdict rendered in Christ had been pronounced, but the old covenant world that administered condemnation had not yet been fully removed. AD 70 resolves that tension: the old order’s courtroom collapses, and the new covenant verdict stands uncontested. This is the inheritance of the “world of righteousness” anticipated in 2 Peter 3:13.

  1. Romans 5–6: “In Adam,” “In Christ,” and the Nature of Adamic Death

At this point the question must be stated plainly: what is the “death” Paul is talking about when he frames redemption as a transfer from Adam to Christ?

A crucial distinction must be maintained. The “death” that came through Adam, and the “life” that comes through Christ, are covenantal and forensic realities before they are ever biological categories. Paul’s argument in Romans 5–6 is not that the gospel’s victory is measured by whether biological death disappears from human experience—because biological death has not been weakened over the last two thousand years. The gospel’s victory is measured by whether condemnation, exclusion, and separation—Adamic spiritual death—have been decisively overcome and replaced with justification, access, and covenantal life in Christ.

Romans 5 establishes the corporate framework: humanity is “in Adam” or “in Christ.” Adam’s transgression brought condemnation; Christ’s obedience brings justification (Rom. 5:18–19). This is not about individual moral improvement. It is about representative headship, covenant standing, and the judicial state of death versus life. The “reign of death” in Romans 5 is the reign of condemnation and separation from God’s presence—the very thing the old covenant law magnified by exposing, prosecuting, and intensifying awareness of sin and exile.

Romans 6 then shows how that Adam-to-Christ transfer is experienced covenantally as union with Christ. Paul writes:

  • “Do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?”
  • “Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death…”
  • “For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [united with Him] in the likeness of His resurrection…” (Rom. 6:3–5)

The key term here is Paul’s insistence on likeness. This is not biological imitation. Believers do not become biologically crucified or biologically entombed with Christ. The union is real, but it is covenantal and spiritual: participation in the judicial significance of Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. The “likeness” of His death and burial is therefore non-biological; it is participation in what His death accomplished with respect to “the sin” and the condemnation that flows from Adamic separation. And if the “likeness” into His death and burial is non-biological, Paul’s own logic requires that the “likeness” into His resurrection is likewise non-biological—covenantal life, restored fellowship, and access.

This is reinforced by how Paul frames Christ’s death in Romans 6: “the death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God” (Rom. 6:10). The emphasis is not that Christ died biologically (though He did), but that His death was a once-for-all death to sin—to the power of condemnation, to the judicial curse, to the Adamic separation that culminates in exile from God. His resurrection-life is then framed as unbroken life to God—a life of restored, indestructible communion and access.

This is why, within this covenantal framework, Christ is “first” not as the first biologically raised human (Scripture itself records resuscitations prior to Easter), but as the first to pass through and overcome the curse of Adamic spiritual death and separation in a definitive, representative, covenant-ratifying way—entering life “to God” as the vindicated Righteous One. His resurrection is the firstfruits of a new covenant order of access.

  1. Substitutionary Atonement, Psalm 22, 2 Corinthians 5:21, and Access to God

This covenantal-resurrection framework also clarifies substitutionary atonement as the ground of New Jerusalem access in Revelation 21–22.

At the heart of substitution is not the claim that Christ died to defeat biological death in such a way that Christians cease dying physically. If substitutionary atonement is reduced to a biological program—“Christ died so you will not die physically”—then the alleged victory is perpetually delayed, because all Christians still die. Biological death has not been weakened over the last two thousand years. What has been abolished is the covenantal administration of death: condemnation, exile, the Law’s accusatory power, and exclusion from God’s presence.

This is where Psalm 22 belongs in the argument. On the cross Jesus cries, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” This is not theatrical despair. Within the covenantal logic of substitution, it is the Messiah entering the place of Adamic estrangement, bearing in Himself the curse of separation and the judicial weight of sin. Paul interprets this substitutionary logic with staggering directness: “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Cor. 5:21).

That last clause is decisive for your Revelation 21–22 argument: “that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” In other words, access is not grounded in a future moral ontology or in a postponed perfection, but in covenantal transfer—being constituted righteous in Christ. This is precisely why the New Jerusalem can be described as a realm into which “nothing unclean” enters: because entry is governed by forensic righteousness in Christ, not by the absence of remaining indwelling sin in believers.

Within your full preterist framework, it is also important to preserve the AD 30–70 “not yet” dimension of Adamic spiritual death. In the transitional period, believers truly possessed justification, cleansing, and access by faith. Yet the old covenant world that administered death and condemnation still stood publicly and institutionally, contesting the gospel and holding sway over Israel’s corporate covenantal story. Christ’s resurrection vindication was real, but the full public resolution of that covenantal conflict awaited the Parousia and the judgment of Jerusalem.

This is also where the descent into Hades fits as covenantal, not biological. Christ bore the curse of Adamic separation and judicial death all the way through—so that His elect would never have to remain under that condemnation, and never have to “die” in that spiritual state. In that sense, “he who believes in Me will never die” is not a denial of biological death, but a promise concerning the abolition of condemnation and separation—eternal life as unbroken fellowship and access secured in Christ.

  1. Hebrews 2:14–15 and the “Fear of Death” as Condemnation-Slavery

Hebrews 2:14–15 teaches that Christ shared in flesh and blood “that through death He might destroy the one who has the power of death… and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery.” If “death” here is reduced to biology, the argument becomes strangely detached from the epistle’s controlling concerns. Hebrews is not centrally about fear of biological mortality; it is centrally about conscience, access, priesthood, covenant transition, and deliverance from the accusatory power of the old order. The “fear of death” functions as fear of condemnation—fear of exclusion from God’s presence—fear produced by a world where sin is charged, conscience is burdened, and the way into the Most Holy Place is not yet fully manifested. Christ delivers from that slavery by securing cleansing, priestly access, and covenantal life.

At this point an important clarification must be made: the deepest terror behind “fear of death” is not merely that one’s body will die, but that one might die in a state of unresolved guilt—still under Adamic spiritual death, still separated from God, still outside the unveiled access that Hebrews insists was not yet fully manifested while the old covenant world remained standing (Heb. 9:8). In other words, the enslaving fear is not simply fear of mortality; it is fear of dying under condemnation, fear of dying without full covenantal vindication, and fear of dying with the conscience still haunted by an order that could not perfect the worshiper.

This is precisely why Hebrews repeatedly argues that the Mosaic system could not “make perfect” in the sense of bringing the conscience into final, uncontested access (Heb. 9:9–10; 10:1–4). Even for believers looking forward to the Messiah, that old covenant world could not finally take away Adamic sin and its attendant spiritual death in a consummative and publicly vindicated way. Its sacrifices were reminders, not resolutions. They marked out hope, but they also testified that the way into the Most Holy Place was not yet fully opened.

Thus the bondage described in Hebrews 2:14–15 includes the fear of remaining under the death-world’s jurisdiction—the continuing power of accusation, exclusion, and covenantal distance. Christ destroys that “power of death” not by abolishing biology in history, but by abolishing the covenantal regime that held humanity in condemnation-slavery. He does so by securing cleansing of conscience, priestly access, and covenantal life, and by bringing the transitional age to its appointed end—so that His people no longer live under the threat of dying “outside,” dying under condemnation, or dying before the promised vindication arrives.

  1. 1 Corinthians 15:26, “Death… Being Abolished,” and the Administration of Death

This brings us to the critical question of “the last enemy” in Paul’s most famous resurrection chapter.

1 Corinthians 15:26 declares: “The last enemy to be destroyed is death.” Futurist readings instinctively redefine this as biological death, and then conclude that the final abolition of death must occur at the end of world history—because biological death is plainly still present. But notice what that move accomplishes: it forces the “last enemy” into a perpetual delay, and it turns Paul’s victory language into a two-thousand-year postponement.

By contrast, once “death” is understood covenantally—as the reign of condemnation, separation, and the Law’s administration of death—the chapter’s imminence and transitional logic becomes coherent. This is why the Wuest New Testament translation’s rendering is so important here: death is pictured as already in the process of being abolished, not as a victory that will remain wholly absent from history for millennia. Whatever is “being abolished” in Paul’s horizon cannot be biological death, because biological death has not been progressively weakened across the centuries. What wasin the process of being abolished in the apostolic period was the covenantal order that administered death: the old covenant world that “was growing old and ready to vanish away,” and the condemnatory regime that held Israel (and, representatively, Adamic humanity) under separation and exclusion.

This also coheres with Paul’s wider transformation language. Even in 1 Corinthians 15 itself, the emphasis is not that believers undergo a biological upgrade into a different species of physicality, but that they undergo a covenantal transformation into the image-bearing identity of the heavenly man. This is why the textual variant in 1 Corinthians 15:49 matters: “as we have borne the image of the earthy, let us also bear the image of the heavenly.” The hortatory force (“let us”) naturally aligns with Paul’s ethical-covenantal argument across Romans, Galatians, and Colossians: put off Adam, put on Christ; old man/new man; death-to-sin/life-to-God; alienation/access; condemnation/justification. It is difficult to square that exhortational texture with an argument primarily about a future biological mutation.

In short: Paul’s “death” is the covenantal death-world of Adam—condemnation and separation amplified and administered within the Mosaic economy—and Paul’s “resurrection” is the covenantal life-world of Christ—justification, access, and unbroken fellowship with the Father. That death-world was in the process of being abolished in the apostolic period and reached its appointed terminus in the Parousia judgment upon the old covenant world in AD 70, when the administration of death collapsed and the New Jerusalem reality stood publicly unveiled.

  1. Resurrection, Cleanness, and Access

This Pauline framework is indispensable for interpreting Revelation 21:27. If Adamic death is fundamentally separation and condemnation—administered covenantally through the old order—then “uncleanness” belongs to that same world. Under the Mosaic system, death and uncleanness were inseparably linked. Death rendered one unclean. Contact with death barred access to sacred space. The Law’s purity system presupposed a world governed by death, distance, and restricted approach.

But Paul proclaims that death’s reign has been broken in Christ, and that its covenantal administration was being abolished as the old age reached its divinely appointed conclusion. This is why Revelation can declare that “nothing unclean” enters the New Jerusalem. Uncleanness belongs to the Adamic death-world as administered through the old covenant. Once that world is judged and removed, uncleanness loses its legal footing. Access becomes permanent because condemnation has been removed. The New Jerusalem is the architectural and apocalyptic expression of the forensic reality Paul announces: in Christ, there is righteousness, therefore access; and where access is secured, nothing unclean can ever reestablish jurisdiction.

  1. AD 70 as the Public Resolution of Pauline Tension

Paul’s letters repeatedly reflect unresolved tension: righteousness is real, yet contested; resurrection-life is real, yet denied by the old order; access is real, yet opposed by the Law and the temple-world still standing. This tension is not merely psychological; it is redemptive-historical.

AD 70 resolves it.

The destruction of Jerusalem marks the end of the covenantal trial Paul lived within. It is the moment when resurrection-vindication is no longer merely proclaimed but publicly enforced; when the old covenant administration of death is dismantled; when the accusatory world that sustained condemnation collapses; and when the new covenant world of access stands unveiled as the only remaining covenantal reality.

Revelation 21–22 describes the world after that resolution. The New Jerusalem is not awaiting vindication; it is vindicated. The gates are open because access is secured. The nations are healed because the death-world is gone as an operative covenantal regime. Nothing unclean enters because the covenantal system that produced uncleanness—by administering death through exclusion and accusation—has been abolished.

Thus, Paul and John speak the same language. Paul announces resurrection as covenantal vindication and life-to-God in process during the transition; John announces the same vindication as consummated and architecturally manifested. The difference is not theology, but historical location.

Section VII

Resurrection Vindicated, Access Secured: Paul’s Transitional Eschatology and John’s New Jerusalem Vision United

With the Pauline framework now established, the New Jerusalem vision of Revelation 21–22 can be read not as a theological departure but as the apocalyptic unveiling of the same covenantal realities Paul proclaimed during the AD 30–70 transition. John does not introduce a new eschatological scheme; he brings Paul’s inaugurated-but-contested resurrection-world to its covenantal resolution. What Paul experienced as overlap and tension, John depicts as consummated clarity.

  1. Paul and John Share the Same Eschatological Horizon

A persistent misreading of the New Testament assumes that Paul and John operate with fundamentally different eschatologies—Paul allegedly emphasizing inaugurated salvation and John allegedly projecting fulfillment to a distant cosmic finale. This assumption collapses under close scrutiny.

John, like Paul, writes within an explicitly imminent horizon:

  • “The time is near” (Rev. 1:3).
  • “The things which must shortly take place” (Rev. 1:1).
  • “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near” (Rev. 22:10).

These declarations are not rhetorical devices. They function identically to Paul’s “now,” “at hand,” and “passing away” language. John’s apocalypse is unsealed precisely because the covenantal events it describes were about to occur. This places Revelation 21–22 squarely within the same redemptive-historical window as Paul’s letters.

Thus, when John describes the New Jerusalem, he is not shifting the eschatological goalpost. He is depicting what Paul anticipated: the moment when resurrection-life, justification, and access are no longer contested by the old covenant world.

  1. The New Jerusalem as the Post-Contestation Covenant Order

Paul’s letters repeatedly reflect a reality that is true but not yet universally acknowledged. Believers are justified, yet slandered. Raised with Christ, yet accused. Seated in heavenly places, yet persecuted by a covenantal system that still claims authority.

John’s New Jerusalem vision presupposes the end of that contest.

In Revelation 21, the city descends “out of heaven from God” (21:2). This descent does not represent spatial relocation but covenantal manifestation. What had been hidden, disputed, and opposed is now publicly revealed as the true dwelling of God with humanity.

This explains why Revelation 21 opens with the declaration:

“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man” (Rev. 21:3).

Paul had already affirmed this reality theologically (e.g., Eph. 2:21–22), but John depicts it apocalyptically because the covenantal conditions that once obscured it have been removed. The old Jerusalem has been judged. The old temple is gone. The new dwelling is no longer contested.

  1. Why “Nothing Unclean” Can Now Be Declared Absolutely

Revelation 21:27 functions as a legal pronouncement, not a moral anthropology. It declares the permanent exclusion of defilement as a governing covenantal category.

This is where John’s vision presupposes Paul’s resurrection theology. If resurrection is covenantal vindication, and AD 70 is the public enforcement of that vindication, then Revelation 21:27 is the formal declaration that the verdict is final.

Nothing unclean enters because:

  • the Law that defined uncleanness has expired,
  • the temple system that regulated access has been dismantled,
  • and the covenantal economy that administered death has been judged.

In Pauline terms, “there is now no condemnation” (Rom. 8:1) because the courtroom itself has been dissolved. Revelation 21:27 is the architectural image of that dissolution.

  1. Open Gates, Qualified Entry, and the Permanence of Access

One of the strongest confirmations that Revelation 21:27 is an access statement rather than a moral-ontological one is its immediate literary context.

The city’s gates are never shut (21:25). The nations bring their glory into it (21:24, 26). These are not static images of a closed, post-historical realm. They describe an actively functioning covenantal order.

Yet this openness is not indiscriminate. Entry is qualified: nothing common or unclean enters, only those written in the Lamb’s book of life (21:27). This is not a contradiction. It is the same logic that governs Isaiah 52 and Zechariah 14: universalized access coupled with covenantal qualification.

The city is open because access is secure. It is secure because resurrection-vindication has been publicly ratified. The gates are never shut because nothing remains that can threaten the dwelling of God with His people.

  1. Healing, Invitation, and Life After Consummation

Revelation 22 intensifies this picture by depicting ongoing life within the New Jerusalem order:

  • The Tree of Life bears fruit continually (22:2).
  • Its leaves are for the healing of the nations (22:2).
  • The Spirit and the Bride continue to say, “Come” (22:17).

These features cannot be reconciled with a static, post-history realm in which all redemptive activity has ceased. Healing presupposes need. Invitation presupposes response. Open gates presuppose movement.

Yet these features make perfect sense if Revelation 21–22 describes the established new covenant age, inaugurated through Christ’s death and resurrection and consummated through the judgment of the old covenant world.

The New Jerusalem is not the end of redemptive activity; it is the world in which redemptive activity now operates without opposition. The gospel goes forth from a cleansed dwelling, not toward one.

  1. The Collapse of Delayed Eschatology at the Point of Coherence

At this stage, delayed eschatology encounters an internal problem it cannot solve without inconsistency. It must either:

  • reinterpret “near,” “shortly,” and “do not seal” in Revelation as elastic terms that no longer control meaning, or
  • concede that Revelation 21–22 belongs to the same redemptive-historical horizon as Paul’s eschatology.

If the former, the text loses coherence. If the latter, the New Jerusalem cannot be postponed to the end of world history without severing it from its own time indicators and covenantal logic.

Full Preterism simply allows the text to remain where it places itself. The result is not speculative novelty but theological coherence: Paul’s resurrection-vindication becomes John’s unveiled city; justification becomes permanent access; and the defeat of death becomes the abolition of uncleanness as a governing covenantal category.

  1. Revelation 21–22 as the Architectural Expression of Pauline Theology

What Paul teaches propositionally, John depicts architecturally.

  • Justification becomes a city with open gates.
  • Resurrection-life becomes a river flowing from God’s throne.
  • Covenant cleanness becomes a dwelling into which nothing defiling can enter.
  • The end of the Law’s accusatory function becomes the absence of a temple (Rev. 21:22).

The New Jerusalem is not a metaphor for heaven after history. It is the covenantal structure of life in Christ after the old covenant world has passed away.

Thus Revelation 21:27 is not a problem text. It is the inevitable conclusion of Pauline eschatology once the transitional era reaches its appointed end.

Revelation 21:27 does not function as a moral abstraction or an ontological ideal deferred to the end of world history. It functions as an eschatological verdict rendered within redemptive history. Its force lies not in describing a humanity finally incapable of sin, but in declaring that the covenantal system which defined, administered, and enforced uncleanness has been permanently removed.

The logic is now unavoidable. If the old covenant was the juridical framework through which death, condemnation, and exclusion operated, then its removal necessarily entails the end of uncleanness as a governing category. The New Jerusalem does not merely promise future access; it embodies access secured. Its gates are open because no legal barrier remains. Its holiness is comprehensive because no rival covenant exists to contest it.

Delayed eschatology struggles at this point not because Revelation 21:27 is obscure, but because it is too clear. The verse allows no room for a perpetually contested covenant order, no room for an eternally postponed resolution of the ages. It announces consummation.

Thus Revelation 21:27 stands as the eschatological “no-return” point in Scripture. Nothing unclean enters—not because believers have transcended all moral struggle, but because the covenantal world in which uncleanness functioned as a boundary marker has passed away. What remains is a dwelling secured by the Lamb, immune to re-defilement, and permanently open to those written in His book of life.

Conclusion

The New Jerusalem Has Come: Cleanness, Access, and the End of the Old Covenant World

The purpose of this study has not been to redefine sin, deny pursuing a life of holiness, or diminish the believer’s ongoing struggle with sin. It has been to ask a more precise and more biblical question: what does “unclean” mean in Revelation 21:27, and within what covenantal framework does that declaration function? When that question is answered on Scripture’s own terms—prophetic, cultic, and redemptive-historical—the tension that troubles delayed eschatology dissolves.

From Isaiah to Zechariah, from Daniel to Paul, and finally to John, Scripture presents uncleanness not as an abstract moral condition but as a covenantal status regulating access to God’s dwelling. Under the Mosaic order, death and condemnation governed the world, and uncleanness functioned as a legal barrier. Access was restricted. Holiness was localized. The temple stood as both invitation and exclusion.

The prophets foresaw the end of that arrangement. Isaiah announced a redeemed Zion into which the unclean would no longer enter—not because the redeemed would never sin, but because God would act decisively to restore access. Zechariah pressed the vision further, declaring a day when even common vessels would be holy, collapsing the sacred–profane distinction upward into comprehensive consecration. Daniel anchored these promises in time, foretelling a fixed period after which transgression would be finished, righteousness established, vision sealed, and a new Most Holy Place anointed.

The New Testament proclaims the arrival of that moment. Paul lived and wrote within the transitional era, announcing resurrection-life, justification, and access as present realities while the old covenant world still publicly stood in opposition. His letters reflect tension, not uncertainty—the tension of a verdict rendered but not yet universally enforced. That enforcement came with the judgment of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple in AD 70, the event Scripture itself identifies as the end of the old covenant age.

Revelation 21–22 unveils the world after that judgment. The New Jerusalem is not a metaphor for heaven at the end of world history; it is the covenantal dwelling of God with His people once the old covenant order has been removed. Its cubic form announces that the Most Holy Place has expanded to encompass the people of God themselves. Its absence of a temple declares that no further mediation or cultic boundary remains. Its open gates and ongoing invitation reveal a world in which access is permanent and life flows outward without obstruction.

It is in this context that Revelation 21:27 must be read. “Nothing unclean will ever enter it” is not a denial of ongoing sanctification, nor a promise of future moral ontology. It is the apocalyptic declaration that the covenantal world of death, condemnation, and exclusion has passed away. Uncleanness no longer governs because the covenant that produced it no longer exists. What remains is a dwelling secured by the Lamb, in which righteousness is established, access is final, and defilement has no jurisdiction.

Reformed theology already possesses the categories needed to affirm this conclusion. Simul iustus et peccator rightly distinguishes covenantal standing from experiential struggle. Hebrews proclaims present access and cleansed consciences. Paul announces resurrection-life and justification within an imminent eschatological horizon. Full Preterism simply insists that these affirmations be allowed to reach the terminus Scripture assigns them, rather than being suspended indefinitely in a perpetual overlap of the ages.

In our debate with Sam and Jeremiah I emphasized that the “appointed time” (Kairos) that wasn’t near in the OT was now “near” and coming in AD 70 (Dan. 12:4 LXX / Rev. 1:3, 22:10).  This destroyed their concept of OT and NT imminence as spatially “always near” and confirmed Christ’s second coming, de-creation, and passing of heaven and earth and the arrival of the new in the Olivet Discourse and book of Revelation was fulfilled by AD 70.

The New Jerusalem, therefore, is not a “delayed hope” (Prov. 13:12) awaiting the end of world history, but rather opens up to us a “Tree of Life” for us to enjoy right NOW. It is the realized covenantal reality inaugurated by Christ, vindicated through judgment, and unveiled in history. The dwelling of God with humanity has been established. The gates are open. The nations are being healed. And nothing unclean will ever enter—not because the struggle against sin has vanished, but because the covenantal world in which uncleanness reigned has been forever brought to an end.

Jeremiah said he “honestly struggled” to answer my question as to if he was currently in The New Jerusalem.  There is no struggle on my part – Christ has  finished and has applied His perfect redemption to His Church and this must be shouted from the rooftops.

[1] Kenneth L. Gentry Jr., THE DIVORCE OF ISRAEL A Redemptive-Historical Interpretation of Revelation Volume II: Revelation 10:1-22:21, (Tolle Lege Press, 2024), 1467.

[2] Ibid. p. 1724

[3] Martin Luther, Lectures on Galatians (1535), in Luther’s Works, vol. 26 (St. Louis: Concordia, 1963), 232.

 

SHOULD KENNETH GENTRY, GARY DEMAR, AND KEITH MATHISON'S PROGRESSIVE PARTIAL PRETERISM BE JUDGED BY THE SAME MEASURE THAT THEY HAVE JUDGED PROGRESSIVE DISPENSATIONALISTS? A “FITTING” RESPONSE IS REQUESTED


In 1989 Greg Bahnsen, Kenneth Gentry, Gary DeMar and Gary North produced House Divided the Break-up of Dispensational Theology which sought to answer their dispensational critics when it came to theonomy and their eschatology – postmillennial partial preterism.   Gary DeMar suggested the title of the book and its apologetic strategy was to “reformulate” Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 12:25 into this,
“…Any theological position divided against itself is laid waste; and dispensationalism divided against itself shall not stand.”[1]
Gentry points out the division between more progressive dispensationalists such as Feinberg who would see the kingdom as present within the church age in an “already not yet” “spiritual” sense, verses old school dispensationalists such as Ice who believes:  1.  Jesus did not set up His kingdom with His first coming, 2.  The present age is not the kingdom age, 3.  The kingdom will only come at Christ’s Second Coming, are no small problems.  It is correctly pointed out that  since a distinction between the Church and Israel is foundational to the dispensational system promises made to Israel cannot be applied or fulfilled in the Church age.  If it is agreed that they do, then the system falls apart or crumbles from within.
In Appendix A THEOLOGICAL SCHIZOPHRENIA Gary DeMar quotes MacArthur – in which he admitted a hardline doctrinal distinction between say the church and Israel and or the church and the kingdom “has wreaked havoc on dispensatinalist theology…”  and correctly responded,
“Drawing a “hard line” between Israel and the church is fundamental to dispensationalism.  Once these “hard lines” go, the entire system is in jeopardy of collapsing.”[2]
DeMar also thought it would be “fitting” to demonstrate how the authors that endorsed House and Ice’s book actually at some points contradicted it and even their own writings at times:
“There is a great amount of theological schizophrenia from Charles W. Colson, Norman L. Geisler, John McArthur Jr., and Hal Lindsey.  Since these men endorse Dominion Theology, I thought it would be fitting to evaluate their views in the light of the book they are endorsing.  Some of these men seem to even disagree with what they themselves have written, while others disagree with House and Ice and traditional dispensationalism, the supporting theological position used to evaluate Christian Reconstruction.  The disagreements are not minor as we will see.  Moreover, House and Ice seem to have abandoned the essential distinctives of their system, doctrines that make dispensationalism different from historic premillennialism.”[3]
Shortly after Ice’s book came out Hal Lindsey also began attacking the views of theonomic postmillennial partial preterism.  In Appendix B Gary accused Hal Lindsey of “fraudulent” “scholarship” when he didn’t give credit to others for research etc…  He also accused Lindsey of making “Greek Errors” and “Faulty Arguments.”  He accuses Lindsey of giving a
“…mean-spirited analysis of Reconstructionism.  He is even less successful than House and Ice in his assault.  In all honesty it seems that the dispensational critiques of Reconstructionist theology are degenerating to ever new lows.  They have gone from bad (House and Ice) to worse (Hunt) to worst (Lindsey).”[4]
From beginning to end the attitude is that Reconstructionist theology and partial preterist postmillennial eschatology is gaining influence in dispensational circles.  Dispensationalism cannot give a consistent and exegetical defense of its system or refute postmillennial preterism and  therefore, Reconstructionists have won the debate while their opponents “Divided House” crumbles at their feet.  If dispensationalists cannot answer the postmillennial partial preterist responses, then in essence dispensationalism has lost the debate.

In 2003 dispensationalists produce a multi-authored book, THE END TIMES CONTROVERSY THE SECOND COMING UNDER ATTACK edited by Tim LaHaye and Thomas Ice.  Apparently Ice and McArthur didn’t get the “House Divided” message that Gentry and DeMar were sending them because they both contributed chapters in this book.  In this book we learn that the over 100 time texts in the NT allegedly mean that whenever Christ decides to return – it will take place very quickly at that point (ETC, 102ff.) – not that the actual eschatological events themselves would take place “soon,” “shortly,” “at hand,” or in an “about to,” time frame.  Ice admits that Jesus’ use of “generation” everywhere else means his contemporaries except in one place (Matthew 24:34) – how convenient.  And in another work McArthur claims that preterists have to resort to using a hyper “wooden literalism” when interpreting Jesus’ words “this generation.”  Amazingly the hyper-literalists who won’t interpret words in their natural way or how they are used throughout the Bible are charging us with using a “wooden literalism” hermeneutic?!?   You just can’t make this stuff up folks!
Another amazing claim is that preterists believe what they do because they have known no better and therefore haven’t been exposed to dispensationalism or the “other side of the argument” (ETC, 7).  This of course is just another false statement to go along with the false exegesis in the book.  I have been both a partial preterist (for 1 year) and a full preterist (for 25 years) and like me, most of these people have come out of dispensationalism having already heard that “side of the story.”
This work acknowledged that both partial and full preterism are growing eschatological movements that need to be answered.  The premise of ETC seemed to be to echo what full preterism has been saying for years now – in that covenant theology/eschatology as a whole throughout church history has offered an interpretive system (coupled with the rise of the progressive partial preterist hermeneutic) – that has formed and continues to pave the way for full preterism to rise and thrive on an exegetical level.

A year later in 2004, Reformed theology as a whole (amillennialists and postmillennial partial preterists) decided to perhaps challenge these dispensational claims that their views do not lead to full preterism and that they could in fact give a “shoulder to shoulder” united refutation of  full preterism.  As we will see shortly that was a failed attempt and myth.  And if dispensationalism as an eschatological movement is a “House Divided,” then these seven conflicted Reformed authors were even more of a “House Divided…”:

In 2009 (and then a second and expanded edition in 2014) Calvinists and full preterists David Green, Edward Hassertt and I responded to this “Reformed response.”  In my chapter, I demonstrated that either classic amillennialism and partial preterism  lead us to a contradiction, or it forms full preterism.  The days of Reformed students having to choose between:  1)  trying to honor 90% of the imminent time texts (partial preterism) in the NT and or 2)  choose between the analogy of scripture (classic amillennialism) in that the NT only teaches one Second Coming/The parousia attended by one judgment and resurrection of the living and dead — has come to an end.  A third Reformed view has emerged (“Reformed and always reforming”) which honors all of the NT time texts while at the same time honoring the analogy of Scripture.
Mathison’s chapter was utterly confusing and didn’t even really defend his own partial preterism.  In one book he “knows” what “this generation” (Matthew 24:34) means, but when trying to refute full preterism and pacify his amillennialists, he simply could only tell the reader that there were several (wrong) options to choose from.  And as far as their “unity” (without embracing full preterism), that too needed to be challenged:
“This problem is alive and well today, as Mathison’s multi-authored book demonstrates.  Mathison uses wild understatement when he says of the authors of WSTTB:  “ . . . [T]he contributors to this volume do not completely agree in their interpretation of every eschatological text” (155).  The fact is that all seven of the contributors to Mathison’s volume do not agree at all on any (or at least virtually any) eschatological doctrine except the doctrine “that the second coming of Jesus Christ, the general resurrection, and the Last Judgment are yet to come” (155). Mathison can call that “shoulder-to-shoulder” agreement, but it is not impressive.  Agreement on only a few points out of a myriad merely indicates that those few points are wrong.
It is more than difficult to understand how the authors of WSTTB can portray their historical positions as unified when between their two systems (partial preterism and amillennialism) two contradictory propositions emerge:
“1)     “Partial Preterism – Imminence and fulfillment are accepted.  Christ appeared a second time at the end of the old covenant age.  There was a spiritual, corporate, covenantal judgment and resurrection of the living and dead which was attended by a passing of the old creation and arrival of the new in AD 70 (Dan. 12:1-4; Matt. 5:17-18; 13:39-43, 24-25; Acts 1:11; Rom. 8:18; 13:11-12; Heb. 8:13; 9:26-28;[5] 10:37; 1 Peter 4:5-7; 2 Peter 3; Rev. 1-22).
2)     Classic Amillennialism – The New Testament teaches only one future coming of Christ, general judgment, and resurrection of the living and dead attended by the restoration of creation at the end of the age.
How can these things be indeed? The only way both of these propositions can be true at the same time is if full preterism is true.
Amillennialism is correct that there is only one future coming of Christ in the New Testament.  And partial preterism is correct that the future coming of Christ in the New Testament was fulfilled in AD 70. Thus “orthodoxy” teaches us that the one Second Coming of 1 Thessalonians 4-5 is the same coming of Christ in Matthew 24-25, and that it was fulfilled in AD 70. But since futurism errs on the nature of the resurrection, assuming it is biological and at the end of time, futurists are forced into an either/or dillema, when the truth is both/and.
I think one can see the problem that the authors of WSTTB are sweeping under the rug when they speak of their “shoulder-to-shoulder” unity.  The choice is simple. Either one continues propagating the myth that these two propositions within the futurist paradigm do not lead to a contradiction, or one accepts the organic development of full preterism which unites them.”[6]
Since partial preterist exegesis and admissions on very important eschatological texts would point the reader in the direction of full preterism, Kenneth Gentry and Doug Wilson were assigned to regurgitate Roman Catholic creedal and church history type arguments in their chapters.  And the only other partial preterist in the book  – Keith Mathison tried to address the imminent time texts in the NT but didn’t want to come to any definite conclusions:
“In Keith Mathison’s chapter we learn that understanding the eschatological imminence that saturates the pages of the New Testament is a “difficult problem” (178, 204).  We learn that it is so difficult in fact, that there are perhaps an average of five to eight “possible” interpretations for any given imminence text.
After noting that Jesus “suggest[ed]” in Matthew 16:27-28 that the coming of the Son of Man would take place “within the lifetime of His hearers” (176), and after noting that Matthew 10:23; 16:27-28; 24-25 “seems to portray the coming of the Son of Man as something that would occur soon after the words were spoken” (178), Mathison concludes that there is nothing in the New Testament “that even remotely suggests hyper-preterism.”  He further concludes that preterism contradicts the most basic teachings of Jesus and the apostles (205, 213).
Earlier however, in his Editor’s Introduction, Mathison warned that preterists “have presented a significant challenge to orthodox Christian doctrine, and it cannot be ignored” (xviii).  So then, Jesus predicted that His coming would take place within the lifetime of His hearers, but yet nothing in the New Testament even remotely suggests preterism, but yet preterism is a significant challenge to orthodox Christian doctrine. You figure it out.”[7]
As I document in chapter four of House Divided Bridging the Gap in Reformed Eschatology A Preterist Response to When Shall These Things Be? — there are many more doctrinal agreements between progressive partial preterists and full preterists than they want to share with the public in this debate:

Full Preterists

Partial Preterists

A.D. 70

At the end of history

A.D.   70

At the end of history

NT use of “last days” from old   covenant to new AD 30 –   AD 70 only – not end of Christian age

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

“This age” = old covenant age “age to   come” = new   covenant age transformed in AD 70

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

United Matt. 24-25 one parousia in AD   70

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

Resurrection and judgment of living  and dead between AD 30 – AD 70

Yes

No

Yes

Yes

Glorification in Rom. 8:18-23YLT  “about to be revealed”

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

2 Peter 3 fulfilled

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

“All Israel” in Rom. 11:26 saved

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

Acts 1:11

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

Hebrews 9:26-28 Second Appearing of Christ at end of the age

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 “rapture”

Yes

No

Yes

Yes & No

Perhaps the most significant change is that DeMar and American Vision authors and associates have oddly enough stolen the full preterist view of the judgment and resurrection of the living and dead and are now accepting that this was a progressive, corporate, covenantal, process between AD 30 – AD 70 resulting in the souls of the righteous being raised out of Hades or Abraham’s Bosom at Christ’s parousia in AD 70 to inherit the kingdom and eternal life (see HD, 89-95, 178).

Progressive Dispensationalism & Progressive Partial Preterism

Mathison (like DeMar and Gentry) does not like how progressive dispensationalists have operated in that they have not been exactly honest with the implications of their system:
“The church suffers far too much damage when people do not identify what they really believe.  For the sake of accuracy, honesty, and understanding, “progressive dispensationalists” should no longer claim to be dispensational.  Traditional dispensationalists would likely concur.  Do most dispensational laymen realize that the “dispensationalism” now taught in their seminaries is not the dispensationalism they know?  As much as I prefer to see Reformed theology taught in these seminaries, if someone is going to teach nondispensationalism in a dispensational seminary, students and donors should at least be aware of the fact.  It is not enough to redefine the essential doctrines out of a system and call the resulting opposite teaching “progressive.”[8]
And,
“Even its own proponents disagree on what that position is because it is in a constant state of flux.  To arrive at a consistent position they either must return to traditional dispensationalism, become historical premillennialists, or become Reformed.  My hope and prayer is that they continue their journey toward Reformed theology.”[9]
We too are calling for more “honesty” when it comes to progressive partial preterists and it is my hope and prayer that they continue their journey toward full preterism.
“Progressive” On:  The Coming of the Son of Man
I would consider Mathison to some degree a progressive partial preterist in that he no longer divides Matthew 24-25 up into two different comings of Christ (one in AD 70 Matthew 24:1-34 and the Second Coming at the end of history in Matthew 24:35—chapter 25).  He now believes that the coming of the Son of Man in both chapters refers to AD 70 (as does DeMar).  What reformed creed or major church father taught this?
“Progressive” On:  The Last/Latter Days
As I document in my chapter of HD, Gary DeMar and even Joel McDurmon at American Vision take the NT’s use of the “last or latter days” to be a reference from Christ’s first coming to His parousia in AD 70 to end the old covenant age, and is not a term descriptive of Christ’s Second Coming to end world history.
“Progressive On:  “This age” (old covenant age) and “Age to come” (new covenant age)
Progressive partial preterists such as American Vision’s Joel McDurmon are not exactly creedal when they interpret the parable of the wheat and tares to be fulfilled at the end of the old covenant “this age” (cf. Matthew 13:39-43).  Even American Vision’s Gary North (Joel’s father-in-law) has written,
“Anyone who equates the fulfillment of [the parable of the wheat and tares] with A.D. 70 has broken with the historic faith of the church.” (see HD, 91, n. 27 & 28).
DeMar publishes McDurmon and has a co-author (Peter Leithart) who has also gone into print taking a preterist view of the parable of the wheat and tares claiming it was fulfilled in AD 70 and is not descriptive of the end of history.  The Reformed and creedal understanding of the NT’s use of “this age” is the current Christian age and the “age to come” is the eternal state ushered in at Christ’s Second Coming.
“Progressive” On:  The Judgment and Resurrection of the Living and Dead
Kenneth Gentry should now be considered a “progressive partial preterist” in this area along with James Jordan whom both claim there was a progressive, covenantal, corporate judgment and resurrection of dead between AD 30 – AD 70 in Daniel 12:1-4, 13 which resulted in souls being raised out of Hades or Abraham’s Bosom at Christ’s parousia in AD 70 to inherit the kingdom and eternal life.  Where in the Reformed creeds and confessions of the church has this been taught?  How many times must Daniel be raised from the dead?
In Joel McDurmon’s debate with Don Preston, on virtually every main NT resurrection text Preston boxed him into, Joel conceded that there may be an AD 70 resurrection fulfillment but we await a literal and fuller fulfillment at the end of history.  What reformed creed or confession (or mainstream theologian for that matter) is teaching double or multiple fulfillments of such passages as Matthew 13:39-43; John 5:28-29; 1 Corinthians 15; Revelation 20?
If it is true that men like MacArthur have crossed “hard lines” between the church and Israel which cause their systems to fall apart and logically leads more to covenant theology, then it is also true that Partial preterists that used to hold these “hard lines” with a division in Matthew 24, a creedal understanding of “this age” and the “age to come,” and that the bible only teaches one resurrection and judgment of the dead – have crossed “hard lines” which likewise have caused their system to fall apart and which logically and exegetically leads to full preterism.
Where are these men getting these views?!?  This leads me to my next point.

“Fraudulent” and “Sloppy Scholarship”

Now remember DeMar charged Hal Lindsey of “Fraud” when he pretended to do his own research when in fact he was using others.  If the above “progressive” doctrines being taught by partial preterists cannot be found in the Reformed creeds and confessions of the church and are not considered to be within the “historic church” (North), then where might Mathison, Gentry, DeMar, McDurmon, Leithart etc… be getting them from if not from the full preterist movement?!?  Gentry realizes that a part of the move for progressive dispensationalists moving further away from old school dispensationalism, is the outside pressure they have gotten from Reformed theology.  And yet Gentry pretends he and Jordan came up with an AD 30 – AD 70 judgment and resurrection of the living and dead doctrine all by themselves – amazing arrogance, sloppy scholarship, and very “fraudulent” in my opinion.

“State of Flux”

Remember Mathison charged progressive dispensationalists as being in an identity crises of sorts – not really dispensational but not Reformed either.  How is he and these other progressive partial preterists any less in a “state of flux” when it comes to surrendering all of these key eschatological texts and doctrines to full preterism???
Ken Talbot is on the board of American Vision and has been secretly working on what he has called “Realized Preterism.”  Apparently it is so top secret that it has never been realized yet.  Perhaps some of it came from one of his confused disciples Sam Frost.  Sam for a while under Talbot didn’t know if the NT was teaching two or one parousias of Christ.  He even suggested at one point, that the parousia in 1 Corinthians 15 could have been fulfilled in AD 70, but that it awaits a fuller/manifestation of fulfillment at the end of history (perhaps similar to what progressive partial preterist Mike Bull has been teaching on this as well).  He also took mello in Acts 24:15 YLT and Romans 8:18 YLT as “about to be” fulfilled in AD 70 as well – apparently trying this double or multiple fulfillment/manifestation concept on Romans 8:18 but then backing out of it in Acts 24:15.
Obviously these men are in no place to try and take the speck out of progressive  dispensationalist’s eyes and call for “consistency” when in fact they are no more in a “state of flux” and confusion than they are!  They are in no place to be giving exhortations on “honesty” either.

Gary DeMar & “Fitting Questions” From Full Preterists

Gary DeMar has been critical of WSTTB? and didn’t think the Reformed authors did a very good job of refuting full preterism.  Of course we agree.  Perhaps Gary can explain to us how he might think American Vision’s Joel McDurmon hid any better when he has conceded to us that there “could” have been an AD 70 judgment and resurrection of the dead in major NT texts (John 5:28-29; 1 Corinthians 15; Revleation 20)?
Or perhaps Gary thinks his publication of Sam Frost’s little pamphlet did any better?  Remember I quoted Gary earlier in this article stating that it was only “fitting” of those authors that endorsed Dominion Blessing or Curse? to respond to his questions.  I made reference to him in our book and since he published and endorsed Sam’s pamphlet and we have refuted that pamphlet in the second edition of HD in an appendix section – it is only “fitting” that DeMar respond.
My Questions:
HD pages 89-94:
1. Does Gary DeMar agree with the writings and implications of Gentry, Jordan, and McDurmon that the resurrection and judgment of Daniel 12:1-4 was fulfilled between AD 30 – AD 70 to close the old covenant age in Matthew 13:39-43?
a. Does he continue to “cherry-pick” the resurrection of Daniel 12:2 as a future fulfillment while giving the other “all these things” an AD 70 fulfillment (Dan. 12:7)?  Or would he continue to “cherry-pick” it as Gentry does giving it a double type fulfillment while not giving the Tribulation and other events multiple fulfillments?  Was Daniel raised out of Abraham’s Bosom or Hades in AD 70?  If so, how many times does the NT teach that Daniel must be raised to inherit the kingdom and eternal life?
HD page 114:
2. If the coming of the Son of man in Matthew 24-25 was fulfilled in AD 70, then how many NT eschatological weddings are there?  Has DeMar adopted two eschatological weddings at this point to match his two comings, two Great Commissions, two de-creations/new creations, and two judgments and resurrections of the living and dead — doctrines?  If one thought dispensationalism’s hermeneutic is seeing double in the NT, the progressive partial preterists have definitely out done them at this point.
HD 120-121, 128:
3. Gary if the “glory was about to be revealed” in Romans 8:18 YLT was fulfilled in AD 70, then contextually doesn’t that also mean the liberation of creation and the redemption of the body was as well (vss. 18-23)? Wouldn’t that be in agreement with your views of Romans 13:11-12 and that the resurrection and salvation for “all Israel” in Romans 11 was fulfilled in AD 70?  Do you agree with John Lightfoot’s view that the “creation” “groaning” and it’s “decay” is not addressing the planet earth but people only?
HD 112-116:
4. Gary do you agree with Gentry that Paul’s source for eschatology in 1 and 2 Thessalonians is Matthew 24-25?  If so, why stop all of the parallels between 1 and 2 Thessalonians when it comes to 1 Thess. 4:15-17=Matt. 24:30-31? If there was a coming of Christ and resurrection for the dead in AD 70 (per AV), then why can’t this passage be that coming and resurrection?
HD, 128-133:
5. Gary since you have a problem with a full preterist view of the millennium, please engage in my 7 points summary which proves our view is exegetical, historical, and reformed.  Prove the eschatological judgment and resurrection as depicted in Revelation 20 would not “shortly” be fulfilled or that they have not been recapitulated earlier (the amillennial and full preterist views) in chapters you say were fulfilled in AD 70.
6.  You have stated that you do not desire to share a platform with those that “don’t come across very well.”  Yet you have published and have shared a platform with Sam Frost and Jason Bradfield whom have literally cursed us “f____ you,” called us “filth,” “goats,” “heretics,” “nut jobs,” “morons,” etc…  You have claimed in the past that Hal Lindsey has given you a “mean-spirited” response.  Do you think these are “mean-spirited?”  We do, but we are patient and have not stopped responding to these individuals with Scripture – “always being ready” and “answering fools according to their folly lest they be wise in their own eyes.”  You seem to never be ready to respond to full preterism — 25+ years and counting?
7.  What areas of Dave’s chapter on the resurrection and or his exegesis of 1 Corinthians 15 would you agree with and or disagree with and why?
Appendix:
Is there ANY argument that you agree with when it comes to the content of Sam Frost’s booklet that you published?  Did he persuade you that you have fallen prey to a “full preterist scheme” by taking the NT’s use of “the last/latter days” to be from AD 30 – AD 70?  Would Van Til agree with Sam’s Gordon Clark type “logical” “infinity” argument and consider it biblical or reformed?
Then there is the issue that Gary gives lip service to being open to hearing and responding to full preterism.  Gary wrote or said the following:
“The big debate among preterists is how far does preterism go? Is all prophecy fulfilled? Full preterists say yes. Partial preterists say no. In between there is a lot of work yet to be done on specific passages. The tendency of full preterists is to fit everything into an A.D. 70 matrix. They do this with 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, 1 Corinthians 15, and Revelation 20. A similar approach is followed with a number of Old Testament prophecies (e.g., Ezek 38–39 and Zech 12). I am willing to listen to their arguments since preterism in its present form is only now coming to its own as we shake off the dust of dispensationalism that has so distorted our interpretation of prophecy. I am willing to cut those full preterists some slack who are attempting to do real exegetical work. Many partial preterists are not willing to do this. To my mind, this approach is counterproductive. Honest analysis of the Bible is required. I want to be challenged by the best arguments possible, whether they come from full preterists or dispensationalists. I refuse to adopt a position because I’ve been told to do so. To quote Posey from The Dirty Dozen, “I don’t like being pushed.””
So instead of Gary “listening”/reading our “real exegetical work” on say 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 or 1 Corinthians 15 in HD, Gary instead hastily publishes a little anti-full preterist booklet of which most of the “arguments” (I’m guessing) he would disagree with.  Makes perfect sense to me – huh???
David Green has also asked DeMar these questions on Facebook (Gary has joined the pretcosmos FB group) and he has yet to respond to them.
David Green’s Questions: 
[Since Talbot is on American Vision’s board] Do you agree with Ken Talbot’s doctrine that unbelievers should be executed if they don’t repent after three chances? [Who would constitute “heretics” to be executed – Sabbath breakers such as McDurmon?  Baptists who wouldn’t baptize their children?] Also, do you agree with Ken Talbot’s Nestorianism and Adoptionism?
And do you also agree with Ken Talbot’s view (which is taught in American Vision’s booklet “Why I Left Full Preterism”), that the Earth cannot abide forever in time because God is unable to fully know an ever-increasing kingdom?
And do you agree with the view that is taught in American Vision’s booklet, “Why I Left Full Preterism,” that “the Last Days” are actually “the afterward aeons”?
And do you agree with Dr. Talbot’s Docetism (which is taught in American Visions’ booklet, “Why I Left Full Preterism”), i.e., the doctrine that physical death (both that of the believer and of Jesus) is in “appearance” only (an illusion)?
And do you agree with Dr. Talbot’s doctrine (which is taught in American Visions’ booklet, “Why I Left Full Preterism”), that Abraham will be resurrected to inherit physical real estate, and even the stars, in fulfillment of “the land promise” given to Abraham?
And do you agree with the False Witness statement in American Vision’s booklet, “Why I Left Full Preterism,” that the doctrine of the past Second Coming and Judgment was invented in the 1970’s by Max King? (page 1)
From American Vision’s booklet, “Why I Left Full Preterism”:
[Begin quote] “Idealism, futurism, preterism, historicism, and dispensationalism. . . . all agree on four points:
1. Christ will return bodily . . .
2. at the end of time and history . . .
3. and raise our bodies . . .
4. and bring full judgment to all
. . . Christian history is unified on these essential matters.” [End quote] My response:
This is proof that the author of “Why I Left Full Preterism” wrote it while watching “Dancing With The Stars,” and that American Vision rushed it to print before proofing it, and that Ken Gentry endorsed it after doing little more than skimming over it, and that Keith Mathison probably read nothing more than the Table of Contents before endorsing it.
Christian history is *NOT* “unified” on the four points listed above.
* Premillennialists/Dispensationalists do NOT “agree” that Christ’s Second Coming will be “at the end of time and history.”
* Premillennialists/Dispensationalists do NOT “agree” that Christ’s Second Coming will be to resurrect “all” men who will ever live.
* Premillennialists/Dispensationalists do NOT “agree” that Christ’s Second Coming will be to bring full judgment to “all” men.
Premillenialists/Dispensationalists say that Christ’s Second Coming will be for the purpose of setting up an earthly, millennial reign of Jesus in the flesh –a full thousand years BEFORE the Final Resurrection and Final Judgment and “end of time.”
Keith Mathison, who –incredibly– endorsed “Why I Left Full Preterism,” actually made these very observations himself, in his book, “Postmillennialism: An Eschatology of Hope” (pages 32-33)! 🙂
I don’t know what is more tragic: Sam Frost’s error-riddled and sin-riddled booklet (a.k.a., “Why I Sold My Soul”), or the partial preterists who made the titanic mistake of endorsing it.
And Gary, do you agree with this False Witness statement that is found in American Vision’s booklet, “Why I Sold My Soul” (page 3)? ” . . . [M]any . . . followers [of full preterism] are taught how to infiltrate the church.”
And do you see any problem with this glaring, self-defeating contradiction in American Vision’s booklet, “Why I Sold My Soul”?
Pages 19-20:
“[Full preterism] attempts to align itself as much as possible with [futurists], even claiming that it actually says, basically, the same thing as them.”
Page 42:
“[Full preterists] have the Old Testament saints transferred from Hades to Heaven [which is what full preterists call the Resurrection of the Dead]. That’s not really an issue, since a good deal of early church fathers held to that as well.”
do you agree with the False Witness statement in American Vision’s “Why I Sold My Soul,” that full preterists don’t believe in any concept of gradual fulfillment?
And do you agree with the statement in American Vision’s “Why I Sold My Soul,” that Adam and Eve hid because they were afraid that God was going to physically kill them (pg. 57), even though the Bible explicitly says they hid because they were naked? Thank you, Gary.
I have asked Keith Mathison if he agreed with R.C. Sproul’s comments that we quoted in HD about infinity or the booklet he hastily endorsed and he too was not available for comment.  Why is it any less “fitting” that you and Mathison not respond to a book you endorse, and yet you feel justified in requesting answers from your critics?

Conclusion:

  • Progressive dispensationalists and progressive partial preterists need to be more “honest” and “consistent” in where their views and exegesis are heading.  To quote DeMar, “Once these “hard lines” go (ex. no division in Matthew 24-25 and now teaching that the judgment and resurrection of the living and dead took place at end of old covenant age in AD 70 [Matthew 13:39-43/Daniel 12:1-4, 13/Revelation 20]), the entire system is in jeopardy of collapsing.” They will continue to send their readers to full preterism no matter how they try and re-package their views “Realized Preterism” etc….
  • Progressive partial preterists need to give credit to full preterism for developing the AD 30 – AD 70 corporate, covenantal, progressive, judgment and resurrection of the living and dead view and stop pretending that they came up with it on their own and or pretend that the change is not a result of outward pressure from full preterism.
  • According to the reasoning of Gary North and that of DeMar, the authors of WSTTB? should respond to our response and it is only now “fitting” that DeMar, Gentry, and Mathison respond to our refutation of a hastily written and read booklet that they have endorsed and published through American Vision.  If no response can be given, then we have won the debate – right Gary North?

According to DeMar’s reasoning when it comes to his critics, I would have to conclude that the “House Divided” critics of full preterism at this point, “have gone from bad (LaHaye, Ice, MacArthur) to worse (WSTTB? Mathison, Gentry, Strimple, etc…) to worst (American Vision – McDurmon & Frost).”  Well, maybe the truth is that they all contain the “worst” possible unbiblical and illogical “arguments” against full preterism imaginable.  But all Gary DeMar says he will do thus far is sit on the sidelines and “watch.”  You can’t make this stuff up folks – sad but true.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAFnbkEwqjI



[1] Greg Bahnsen, Kenneth Gentry, HOUSE DIVIDED THE BREAK-UP OF DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY, (Tyler, TX:  1989), 350
[2] Ibid., 366.
[3] Ibid. 349.
[4] Ibid., 379.
[5] This should have been footnoted on page 139 of my chapter in reference to Hebrews 9:26-28 but it got deleted for some reason in the editing process.  The admission here is from Milton Terry, “The ‘end of the age’ means the close of the epoch or age—that is, the Jewish age or dispensation which was drawing nigh, as our Lord frequently intimated. All those passages that speak of ‘the end,’ ‘the end of the age,’ or ‘the ends of the ages,’ refer to the same consummation, and always as nigh at hand.” “…the writer regarded the incarnation of Christ as taking place near the end of the aeon, or dispensational period. To suppose that he meant that it was close upon the end of the world, or the destruction of the material globe, would be to make him write false history as well as bad grammar. It would not be true in fact; for the world has already lasted longer since the incarnation than the whole duration of the Mosaic economy, from the exodus to the destruction of the temple. It is futile, therefore, to say that the ‘end of the age’ may mean a lengthened period, extending from the incarnation to our times, and even far beyond them. That would be an aeon, and not the close of an aeon. The aeon of which our Lord was speaking was about to close in a great catastrophe; and a catastrophe is not a protracted process, but a definitive and culminating act.” Milton S. Terry, Biblical HERMENEUTICS A Treatise on the Interpretation of the Old and New Testaments, (Zondervan Publishing House, 1986), 441-442.
[6] David Green, Edward Hassertt, Michael Sullivan, House Divided Bridging the Gap in Reformed Eschatology A Preterist Response to When Shall These Things Be? (Ramona, CA:  Vision Publishing 2014, Second Edition), 139-140
[7] Ibid., House Divided, 5-6.
[8]   Keith A. Mathison, DISPENSATIONALISM RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE PEOPLE OF GOD?  (Phillipsburg, NJ:  1995), 136-137
[9] Ibid., 137

Exposing and Refuting Sam’s Sloppy “Exegesis” of Matthew 16:27-28 Part 2: ​Cherry-Picking John Calvin ​& "Verily I Say Unto You"

Exposing and Refuting Sam’s Sloppy “Exegesis” of Matthew 16:27-28 Part 2:

Cherry-Picking John Calvin & “Verily I Say Unto You”

By Michael J. Sullivan

In part one of this refutation we examined Sam Frost’s inability to even cite or mention let alone  interact at all with passages that reformed theologians (along with Full Preterists) consider parallel passages or same time eschatological events to Matthew 16:27 such as Matt. 13:39-43/Dan. 12:2-3; Matt. 24:30-31—25:31ff.  Then these teachings of Christ on His Second Coming and judgment are then the foundation upon which the Apostle Paul develops them in 1 Thess. 4:15—5:11/1 Cor. 15:23-24, 51-52.  Frost attempted to downplay these powerful parallel passages by not mentioning them and acting as if paralleling these as the same events were something unique to Full Preterism or Dispensational “Left Behind” hermeneutics.  I of course pointed out how absurd and inaccurate this was.  We also examined how Partial Preterists on a regular basis parallel their Preterist interpretation of Matthew 24-25 with other NT passages in order to refute Dispensationalism, but then fail to address the parallels between Matt. 24-25/1 Thess. 4:15—5:11 or say Matt. 25:31-46/Rev. 20:10-15.          
We shall now turn our attention to other aspects of Sam’s article. 
Sam writes,
Step One: Harmony
Luke 9.26-27 states, “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my saying, of him likewise will the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come  in his own majesty, and in the majesty of his Father, and of the holy angels. 27. And I say to you, There truly are some standing here who will not taste death, till they see the kingdom of God.”
Instead of “the son of man coming in his kingdom” we find, “the kingdom of God”.  This may or may not have significance in terms of emphasis on the meaning of Matthew‘s “son of man coming in his kingdom”.  We will consider the Greek text in a moment.
Mark 8.38-9.1 reads, “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him likewise will the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. 1. And he said to them, Verily, I say to you, There are some among those who stand here that will not taste death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.”
Here we have yet a third rendering, “kingdom of God come with power.”  Is seeing the kingdom of God, have seen the kingdom of God come in power, and the son of man coming in his kingdom all equatable terms?  If so, which one has the emphasis of meaning?  That is, is “seeing the kingdom of God” the same as “the son of man coming in his kingdom”, where the emphasis is on kingdom instead of the the coming of the son of man?  What is meant, then, by the coming of the son of man?  That I am be frivilous here over the details is countered by eminent scholar, Krister Stendahl (Harvard), who asks, “But coming in what sense”?, in noting the variations here.  We will note the Commentaries in a moment as well.
Well, yes there are parallel accounts to Matthew 16:27-28 in Mark and Luke with slight variations.  This of course proves nothing.  So let’s move on:
Step Two: The Greek Text
As with any thorough exegesis, we must consult the Greek text together with any differing manuscripts (copies) that have come down to us to the present time.  In Mat we have an issue with “works” over the other consideration, “deeds”.  Not really a gigantic problem.  Mark has “with” instead of Luke‘s “and” in the phrase, “with the holy angels”/”and of the holy angels”.  Again, not a large problem.  The sense of the text is not lost once we can recover the sense, and it is here that the real problem occurs: the variations of the phrases, “son of man coming in his kingdom”, “see the kingdom of God” and “have seen the kingdom of God come with power”.  I will consider other aspects of syntax in the Commentary section.
First Sam says there isn’t a problem then he claims there is.  As in “Step One” there is nothing here even worth responding to. Sam goes on:
Step Three: Asking the Right Possible Questions
As with any exegesis, asking the right questions is key.  With Stendahl has already asked one: “coming in what sense?”  Secondly, although it is obvious (and everyone agrees) that whatever Jesus is speaking of here was to “come” within the time span of those “standing” there at the time of Jesus’ utterance (roughly 31-33 AD), the nature of this “coming” and “seeing” is what is targeted.  Is this a single event?  Would it be a series of events?  Would it be an event with an inaugural consideration (that is, in Greek, ingressive).  For example, Calvin commented: “By the coming of the kingdom of God we are to understand the manifestation of heavenly glory, which Christ began to make at his resurrection, and which he afterwards made more fully by sending the Holy Spirit, and by the performance of miracles; for by those beginnings he gave his people a taste of the newness of the heavenly life, when they perceived, by certain and undoubted proofs, that he was sitting at the right hand of the Father.”  Taken all together, Calvin understood that these several events (resurrection, ascension, sending of the Spirit, miracles of the Apostles, et al) represents the ways in which the kingdom of God came with “power” – the coming of the son of man in his kingdom.  In other words, AD 70 is not even in consideration here.
We must ask, though, more questions.  What is meant by “rewarding each person according to his deeds”?  Surely, contests the Hyper Preterist, this is an end time event?  And, here, he would be able to appeal to a usual modern, Christian, cultural way of understanding this expression innundated with Left Behind popularizations.  This assumes, however, that the cultural understanding is the biblical understanding, and we must always be careful not to reread our culture back into the texts.  The Christian has normally heard (popularly) that the “rewards” of the saints that happens only once, only at one time: at the end of the world and the final judgment.  This is supposedly supported by appealing to Revelation 20:11-15 where we find, indeed, “they were judged, each man, according to his works” (not quite the same phrase as “rewarded”).  Then, on top of this, it is assumed that this event in Rev is the same event as spoken of here since, as I have already pointed out, the same language is used.  But, to jump from Mat to Rev based on a string of words, then to say, they must be talking about the same thing is a logical leap with several steps missing!  That’s what Hyper Pretersists do a lot: take huge hurdles.
However, it is a good question since it is raised within the popular understanding of “final judgement”.  The Hyper Preterist wants you to think, then, that Jesus is unequivocally saying here: “some of you standing here before me will not die until the Final Judgement has happened!”  But, is this the true (or only) sense of the passage?  The fact that the Hyper Preterist is confident that it is does not make it true.  The fact that he or she can even make some sort of exegetical case (based on popular understandings) that it is does not make it true.  I can make a case for baptismal regeneration.  It doesn’t make it true, says the Reformed, who can make a case for infant baptism.  And so on.
First, as I pointed out in part 1 and in the introduction to this article our culture or “Left Behindism” has nothing to do with how the reformed historic Christian Church has connected Matt. 16:27 with the Second Coming and final judgment at the end of the age in Matt. 13:39-43/Dan. 12:1-3; Matt. 24:30-31—25:31-46; Rev. 20:10-15, 22:10-12.  Sam is just not being honest here and his desperation is more than glaring.  Even John Calvin whom Frost cherry-picks and appeals to in Matt. 16:28 (but not verse 27) makes these same kind of Full Preterist connections.  Was Calvin guilty of being influenced by “Left Behind” eschatology and hermeneutics as Frost charges the Full Preterist?  Per Frost he must have been influenced by a view that wasn’t even invented yet!
Secondly, Sam (nor Calvin whom he cherry picks on v. 28 and not on v. 27) deals with Jesus’ phrase, “Verily I say unto you” in the beginning of Matt. 16:28a. which He uses to connect and emphasize a subject already being discussed.  In other words Christ in verse 28 is bringing home the point and teaching of v. 27 with an additional important and startling point – some of you will be alive to witness this very coming (that He just discussed in v. 27)!  So exegetically, this statement connects the two comings as one, so whatever your understanding of Christ’s coming is in verse 27 is the proper understanding one should have in v. 28.  Since the phrase connects the two comings as the same event, it is interesting that Sam doesn’t want to deal with this issue in connection with quoting Calvin on the “coming” in Matt. 16:28 while neglecting to address what he says of Christ’s coming in v. 27:
“…he shall appear as the judge of the world.” 
For Calvin, this is the final Second Coming event.  Interestingly enough Calvin also interprets Matthew 13:39-43/Dan. 12:2-3 in the same way:
Then will the righteous shine. What a remarkable consolation! The sons of God, who now lie covered with dust, or are held in no estimation, or even are loaded with reproaches, will then shine in full brightness, as when the sky is serene, and every cloud has been dispelled. The adverb then (τοτε) is emphatic; for it contains an implied contrast between their present state and the ultimate restoration, by the expectation of which Christ animates those who believe in him. The meaning therefore is, Though many wicked men now hold a high rank in the Church, yet that blessed day is assuredly to be expected, when the Son of God shall raise his followers on high,…”
Calvin also takes the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24:30-31 and 25:31 as the same coming as Matt. 16:27:
“…therefore he declares that he will appear openly at his last coming and, surrounded by the heavenly power,”
Of the “redemption” associated to this coming and gathering of the angels in Luke 21:27-28 Calvin writes,
It is therefore called here (as in #Ro 8:23) redemption; because we shall then obtain truly and perfectly the consequences of the deliverance obtained through Christ. Let our ears therefore be awake to the sound of the angel’s trumpet, which will then sound, not only to strike the reprobate with the dread of death, but to arouse the elect to a second life; that is, to call to the enjoyment of life those whom the Lord now quickens by the voice of his Gospel; for it is a sign of infidelity, to be afraid when the Son of God comes in person for our salvation.
Again, Sam is “cherry picking” Calvin and according to Frost Calvin is guilty of our “modern” “cultural” “Left Behindism” before it ever came into being since like the Full Preterist he takes these comings of Christ as His Second Coming or the judgment/resurrection event to close the age.      
Perhaps Sam does not want to challenge that “Verily I say unto you” is linking the two comings in vss. 27-28 as the same event(s)?  It seems to me that he wants to consistently interpret the coming of Christ in vss. 27-28 as the same coming and yet different at the same time throwing everything at the passage hoping something will stick:  1) Jesus allegedly comes (?) in judgment(?) on the clouds(?) with angels(?) in the resurrection event(?), 2)  Jesus allegedly comes/goes(?) in judgment(?) on the clouds(?) with the angels(?) in the ascension(?), 3)  Jesus allegedly comes(?) in judgment(?) on the clouds(?) with angels(?) at Pentecost.  Where in the depictions of Jesus’ resurrection, ascension, or Pentecost do we see Jesus described as coming on the clouds with angels to judge and reward all men?  Desperate men make desperate “arguments.” 
Thirdly, Sam claims, Full Preterists “…jump from Mat to Rev based on a string of words, then to say, they must be talking about the same thing is a logical leap with several steps missing!”  Actually, I don’t do this in our book or my online article in covering Matt. 16:27-28.  I develop my exegesis within Matthew’s gospel and in Jesus’ teachings first before going to Revelation.  But as we will see , Sam no less “jumps from Matthew 16:27-28 to Revelation 5” hoping to develop Christ coming in his ascension theory, instead of where everyone else goes when they get to the book – Revelation 20:11-15 or 22:10-12.  But we will cover Sam’s desperation in Revelation 5 shortly.  
Conclusion:
As the reader can see in Frost’s article he cherry-picks John Calvin on the “coming” of Christ in Matt. 16:28 – leaving out his view of the coming of the Son of Man in Matt. 16:27; Matt. 24:30-1/Luke 21:27-28.  Calvin nor Frost deals with the exegetical argument of the Full Preterist that Jesus’ phrase of “Verily I say unto you” links the same subject matter of v. 27 with v. 28.  In other words the “about to” coming of the Son of Man in v. 27 is the same coming of Christ in v. 28 which would take place within some of the disciples lifetimes. 
In part 3 we will examine Frost’s theory that the coming of the Son of Man in both Matt. 16:27-28 was fulfilled at the ascension “coming” in AD 30 – giving specific attention to Revelation 5 which is where Frost’s article leads his readers.  According to Sam’s theory, this is apparently when Christ took the scroll and began opening the seals judging and rewarding all men.  However, Christ taking the scroll and opening the seals is not AD 30, but rather a depiction of Christ coming in judgment  – pointing the reader to His imminent Second Coming when He begins opening the seals judging and rewarding from roughly AD 66 – 70 (cf. Rev. 22:6-7, 10-12).
 

The Living Body Show W/ William Bell – Matt. 5:17-18; 8:11-12; 10:17-23; 13:40-43

One of the best shows we have had so far – you don’t want to miss it!  We began to study the first of what theologians have called “The Big Three” (Matt. 10:22-23; 16:27-28; 24:34).  Listen and pass it along to your friends.

Exposing Sam Frost’s Sloppy “Exegesis” of Matthew 16:27-28 Part 1 – The Use of Similar Identical or Parallel Language Within Matthew and the NT

Exposing Sam Frost’s Sloppy “Exegesis” of Matthew 16:27-28

Part 1 – The Use of Similar Identical or Parallel Language Within Matthew and the NT

Michael J. Sullivan

Introduction
Partial Preterist Sam Frost has attempted to deal with one passage of what theologians have termed as “the big three” (Matt. 10:17-23; Matt. 16:27-28; Matt. 24:27-34) which addresses the question, “Did Jesus promise that His actual Second Coming would take place within the generation and lifetimes of some of His first century audience?”  The Full Preterist answers this question and approaching these passages (and how they are developed in the rest of the NT) with a simple, certain and confident “yes” while others such as Frost approach our text with not much certainty at all.
In part 1 of this series, I want to focus on doing a proper exegesis of Matt. 16:27-28 which involves letting Jesus interpret Himself here within the same gospel – Matt. 13:39-43 and Matt. 24:30—25:31 and then how these passages are developed in Pauline eschatology – 1 Thess. 4-5 and 1 Cor. 15.  Sam falsely claims that Full Preterism is “built upon” the “popular” “Left Behind” heremeneutical approach in stringing certain passages together when it comes to using similar or identical language between texts, when the actual truth is we build our approach the same way Reformed eschatology (Partial Preterism and the classic Amillennialism) has been built when it comes to using the analogy of Scripture principle of interpretation when approaching these key texts.  There is much hypocrisy here when it comes to a parallelism in approaching Matt. 16:27-28 and Matt. 24-25 in developing AD 70 fulfillment throughout the NT which is something I will also address.
The facts will reveal not only is our analogy of Scripture parallelism found in our exegesis developed within the hermeneutics found within Partial Preterism and Amillennialism, but the truth is that it is Sam Frost who has more in common with the poor scholarship of the “Left Behind” approach to these texts.  First, Sam denies the parallels between Matt. 16:27/Matt. 24 and 1 Thess. 4 as does the pre-tribulationl rapture “Left Behind” view.  Secondly, he adopts a ridiculous hyper-literal hermeneutic in the OT and NT as these men do which results in an imminent expectation of the Second Coming which isn’t really imminent!
To sum up – Sam been dishonest in his “exegesis” and article of Matthew 16:27-28 in the following ways:
1)      Matthew 16:27-28 does not stand on its own in Matthew gospel and it is the same consummation judgment and resurrection as depicted in Matthew 13:39-43 and more specifically Matthew 24:30—25:31 as describing Christ’s actual Second Coming consummation event (which includes the resurrection) at the end of the OC age.
2)      Portraying that we get our parallel analogy of Scripture hermeneutic from “Left Behind” eschatology when in fact we get it from Partial Preterism and the classic Amillennial views!
3)      His RCM site has felt justified in condemning us literally to hell for adopting this hermeneutic from within reformed eschatology.  He also feels comfortable to condemn us to hell when you can’t find much certainty in any of his articles.  If he doesn’t really know what Matt. 16:27-28 teaches or if it is the Second Coming event (as most scholars believe) because “scholars disagree,” then how can he be so certain to condemn us to hell?
Sam Frost writes,
Recently, on Facebook, where the Hyper Preterist community is probably at its most visible, there was considerable discussion over these verses:
For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom (ESV). [1]
This reference to Facebook is interesting in light of the fact that Sam has boasted on several forums that he has co-authored a book with myself, David Green and  Ed Hassertt and yet instead of citing or dealing with my exegesis of this passage in our book[2] or article on my site,[3] he has chosen to interact with comments on Facebook?!?  Since Sam has been trying to set himself up as an authority in refuting Full Preterism or as a “scholar,” one would think that he would attempt to deal with this passage from more credible sources.  And yet I challenged Sam on Facebook (FB) to give his interpretation of Matthew 16:27-28 in light of Matthew 24:30 and 25:31-46 and none came forth on FB or in his article published on his RCM site from which I will be quoting and interacting with.  Sam is a self-promoted “scholar” and expert at refuting Full Preterism and he can’t even address challenges of Matthew 16:27-28 on Facebook, interact with the arguments presented on the text in a book he co-authored or cite and interact with his older material on the passage as a Full Preterist?!?[4]  All to say, there are several issues Sam did not deal with and will be covered in what follows.
Frost goes on,
Supposedly, these verses go a long way in demonstrating the Hyper Preterist contention that all prophecy was fulfilled in AD 70.  Now, it must be fair to note that I know of no one who teaches that these two verses alone conclude the matter.  Even Hyper Preterist teacher Larry Siegle, who often frequents here for discussion, recently admitted this.  However, if it is conceded that these verses do, in fact, teach the idea that the Son of Man’s “coming in his kingdom” is to be related solely, that is, exclusively to the razing of Jerusalem in the Jewish War of 66-70 AD, then the Hyper Preterist thinks he or she has virtually demonstrated the point that all prophecy was fulfilled by this time.  All that needs to be done is to connect a few more verses from the Bible in order to make this point: if these two verses were fulfilled in AD 70, then these few other verses must also be fulfilled in AD 70, because these other verses are talking about the same eventThese other verses, of course, are referencing the resurrection of the dead and the other events associated with eschatology.
Now, that this is the argument I so once deeply espoused is, in turn, based upon another assumption, already well exposed on this website: since these other verses contain the same language they must be referring to the same event.  Upon these considerations the whole Hyper Preterist scheme is built, and once this has been supposedly demonstrated, the unwary victim of such an assault can only say, “Yes, I see your point.  All prophecy must have been fulfilled before the passing away of all those standing there!”
However, upon a sober analysis, and having once been a teacher of the above ruse, we should come at the text as objectively as possible, taking in the contentions noted above as well as the several suggestions of how the scholars, both past and present, have dealt with these verses.  We should use all of the tools available.  After all, we are only trying to figure what Jesus meant, right?  We don’t want to prove our position, but, hopefully, what the text is actually saying.
The first thing we should do is note that this passage occurs in the other Synoptics (Mark, Luke).  Thus, we should include a harmony of these other accounts, with the variations of their wordings as well.
So let’s cover what Sam means when he writes this:
“…if these two verses were fulfilled in AD 70, then these few other verses must also be fulfilled in AD 70, because these other verses are talking about the same eventThese other verses, of course, are referencing the resurrection of the dead and the other events associated with eschatology.”
“…since these other verses contain the same language they must be referring to the same event. Upon these considerations the whole Hyper Preterist scheme is built,…”
What Sam is referring to here is the analogy of Scripture principle of interpretation which he has avoided like the plague in this article and is the same principle of interpretation that reformed eschatology is built upon – not just Full or “Hyper” Preterism.  Sam doesn’t want Jesus to interpret Himself here so he avoids “these few other verses.”  Which ones might these be?  Since Sam is too “lazy” let’s do the work he is unwilling to do because he can’t.
1)      (Matthew 13:39-43, 49-50)
He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
Here is a passage which Sam Frost and other Partial Preterists such as Joel McDurmon take as being fulfilled at the end of the Old Covenant (OC) “this age” in AD 70.  Let’s make some exegetical observations (which other Reformed and Evangelicals have noted of this passage – not just ones Full or “Hyper-Preterists” are making).
Perhaps not just quoting others using the same analogy of Scripture principle of interpretation we will be using, lets also use some logic.  In mathematics and logic: If A bears some relation to B and B bears the same relation to C, then A bears it to C. Or the property of equality is transitive – for if A = B and B = C, then A = C.  Therefore, things which are equal to the same thing are also equal to one another. If equals be added to equals, the wholes are equal.

  • A = (Matt. 13:39-43 – Sam says end of OC age in AD 70)
  • B = (Matt. 16:27-28 – Sam doesn’t seem to know)
  • C = (Matt. 24:30-31—25:31-46 – ?)

“If A (Matt. 13:39-43) bears some relation to B (Matt. 16:27-28)”:

Matthew 13:38-43, 49 Matthew 16:27-28/Mark 8:38-9:1
  • Matt. 13:41 Christ sends out His angles, at which time…

 

  • Matt. 16:27 Christ was about to come with His angels at which time…
  • Matt. 13:42-43  The time of judgment and rewards are given.
  • The wicked are gathered and burned where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
  • The righteous are rewarded and…
  • Inherit the kingdom – thus raised and glorified (Dan. 12:2-3).
 
  • Matt. 16:27 / Mrk. 9:1 He would reward each person which would obvious include two groups…
  • (the wicked and
  • the righteous)

…according to what he has done.

  • At which time they would be able to look back and see that the kingdom of God had already come in power.

As we will see not only does the orthodox church make the same exegetical connections the Full Preterist does with these passages, but Frost immediately runs into another problem at this point in the teachings of Christ.  In Sam’s article on Daniel 12:2 he claimed he agreed with the “consensus” of the “scholars” that this is an end of time fleshly resurrection.  However, Frost did not touch my challenge to him in that the “consensus” of the “scholars” posits this “future” resurrection at the end of the age – Sam (and Joel McDurmon) claim was the OC age (not the end of time) ending in AD 70.  Here are some examples of the “consensus” on the resurrection/glorification of Daniel 12:3/Matt. 13:43 which Sam avoided:
13:43 shine like the sun.  An allusion to Dan. 12:3, a promise of the future resurrection.[5]
The allusion is to Daniel 12:3 LXX…   …in v. 41. These righteous people (see on 5:20, 45; 9:13; 10:41; 13:17; 25:37, 46), once the light of the world (5:13–16), now radiate perfections and experience bliss in the consummation of their hopes.[6]
In Sam’s article on Daniel 12:2 he also failed to successfully refute the latest cutting edge “scholarly consensus” among his own Partial Preterists which take the resurrection of Daniel 12:2 as being  fulfilled in AD 70 (ex: Kenneth Gentry, Gary DeMar, Joel McDurmon, James Jordan, etc…).  According to these men, Daniel 12:2-3, 13 was a spiritual, corporate, covenantal resurrection for the Church and one in which Daniel’s soul was raised out of Abraham’s Bosom to inherit eternal life in God’s presence – in AD 70.  This is in essence the Full Preterist view of the resurrection.  In his article on Daniel 12:2 he once again did not successfully deal with or touch the “all things” of verse 7 which connects the judgment and resurrection of vss. 1-3 with the tribulation – that Jesus said would be fulfilled by AD 70 and within that generation.  And as I already stated he did not touch or seek to reconcile this judgment and resurrection taking place at the end of the OC age he says took place in AD 70 (Matt. 13:39-43=Dan. 12:1-3).[7]
Clearly identifying these two passages Matt. 13:38-50; Matt. 16:27-28 and Matthew 24-25 as the same end of the age consummation event is not unique to Full Preterism.  It isn’t a similarity we have with “Left Behind” “popular Christianity” here, but a similarity we have with “popular Christianity” as can be found within the creeds of the historic church and Reformed eschatology.
Again, THE REFORMATION STUDY BIBLE makes the same exegetical connections as we do,
…the language of [Matt. 24:31] is parallel to passages like 13:41; 16:27; 25:31
Leon Morris writes of Matthew 13:41,
The picture of harvest is carried on, with the reapers defined as the angels. The angels are associated with the consummation elsewhere (16:27; 24:31; 25:31). Jesus assigns to them an important part.[8]
The Reformation Study Bible with all of its “scholarship” and Leon Morris lead us to not only Matthew 13:41 to help us interpret the same “consummation” of Matthew 16:27, but their exegesis and “parallels” lead us to another place where Sam Frost didn’t want to go in his article – Matthew 24-25
2)      (Matthew 24:30-31—25:31-46)
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ 41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” [9]
“…and B bears the same relation to C:      
 

1) Christ comes in glory

Luke 9:26

1) Christ comes in glory

Matthew 24:30

2) Christ comes with angels

Matthew 16:27

2) Christ comes with angels

Matthew 24:31

3) Christ comes in judgment

Matthew 16:27

3) Christ comes in judgment

Matthew 24:28-31; 25:31-34

4) Christ and the kingdom come in power

Mark 8:38

4) Christ and the kingdom come in power

Luke 21:27-32

5) Some of the disciples would live

Matthew 16:28

5) Some of the disciples would live

Luke 21:16-18

6) Some of the disciples would die

Matthew 16:28

6) Some of the disciples would die

Luke 21:16

7) Christ would be ashamed of the disciples  generation Mark 8:38

7) All of this would occur in the disciples  generation Matthew 24:34

Jesus in the Olivet discourse ties the same subject matter in with both Mt. 16:27 & 28.  Not only is the same subject matter taken as one unit, but the same time frame for the Second Coming is reiterated by Christ, ie. in His/their first century, “this generation.” This is a very specific historical event and is not addressing several comings of Christ at: 1)  the ascension, 2) Pentecost, 3)  A.D. 70, and 4) an imagined future coming to end history.
As we will see in further examining Sam’s article, he casts much doubt on the certainty of Matthew 16:27’s meaning and avoiding any interaction with Matthew 24-25.  However, Partial Preterist Gary DeMar is very “certain” of its meaning based upon a method condemned by Frost – that is using “identical” (or “similar”) language and “jumping” to Matthew 24-25,
“…there is little evidence that the “coming of the Son of Man” in Matthew 24:27, 30, 39, and 42 is different from the coming of the Son of Man” in 25:31.  Compare 25:31 with 16:27, a certain reference to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70…  These verses are almost identical.”[10]
For DeMar “identical” or “similar” language is used as a valid hermeneutical/exegetical approach in determining that the coming of the Son of Man in Matt. 16:27; Matt. 24:30 and Matt. 25:31 “certainly” refer to the same coming at the destruction of Jerusalem.
But can we find the resurrection in Matthew 24:30-31 in the context of the judgment of the dead in 25:31-46?  We now come full circle.
“…then A (Matt. 13:39-43) bears it to C (Matt. 24:30-31—25:31-46)”:

Matthew 13:39-43 Matthew 24:30-31—25:31-46
1 Evangelism within the local “world” takes place (Matt. 13:38). 1 Evangelism within the local “world” takes place (Matt. 24:14).
2 There is persecution, tribulation, apostasy, & faithfulness (Matt. 13:19-30). 2 There is persecution, tribulation, apostasy, & faithfulness (Matt. 24:9-13).
3 The subject is the growth and reception of the kingdom at which time the judgment at the “end of the age” takes place (Matt.13:40). 3 The subject is the growth and reception of the kingdom at which time the judgment at the “end of the age” takes place (Lk. 21:31-32/; Mt. 24:3).
4 The Son of Man comes with His angels to gather the sheep/wheat into His barn/kingdom and the wicked goats/tares are gathered and thrown into the fire and burned (Matt. 13:39-42). 4 The Son of Man comes with His angels to gather the sheep/wheat into His barn/kingdom and the wicked goats/tares are gathered and thrown into the fire and burned (Matt. 24:30-31, 25:31-41).
5 The righteous are gathered into the Kingdom at the end of the OC age at which time they are raised and glorified and shine like the sun  (Matt. 13:43/Dan. 12:2-3). 5 Christ’s coming is most likely described as the sun or bright light coming for the east to the west (Mt. 24:27).

The resurrection of Daniel 12:2-3 is not only evident when allowing Jesus to interpret Himself regarding the end of the OC age gathering into the kingdom of Matthew 13:39-43 with Matthew 24:30-31, but it is also evident in that Jesus references the eschatological gathering and trumpet call of Isaiah’s little apocalypse which includes the time of resurrection (cf. Isaiah 25:8–27:13).  Jesus tells us that His teaching in the Olivet discourse and His coming at the end of the OC age within that “this generation” would be the “…days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.” (Luke 21:22).  “All that is written” would include the judgment and resurrection of Daniel 12:1-4 that would take place at the “time of the end” in AD 70 and not the “end of time.”  “All that is written” would also include the judgment and resurrection of Isaiah 25—27:13.
So let’s stop here briefly and ponder what we have seen when we allow Jesus to interpret Himself (something Sam can’t do) and what we have gleaned from not just a Full Preterist  exegesis and comparison of the pertinent texts, but one also derived from orthodox REFORMED SCHOLARS as well.

  • Matthew 13:39-43 is the same end of the age consummation event as Matthew 16:27.
  • Matthew 13:39-43; Matthew 16:27 and Matthew 24:30-31—25:31ff. are also the same end of the age consummation event.
  • But Matthew 13:39-43 is the time of the resurrection and consummation at the end of the age as predicted by Daniel 12:2-3.
  • More modern cutting edge Partial Preterist “scholars” and “exegetes” than Sam Frost posit the resurrection of Daniel 12:2-3 at the end of the OC age in AD 70.
  • Conclusion:  The end of the OC age coming of Christ with his angels to gather His elect into the Kingdom is the time of the resurrection of Daniel 12:2-3 – which took place in a spiritual, covenantal, corporate manner for the Church and at which time Daniel’s soul (and other souls) was/were raised out of Abraham’s Bosom and inherited eternal life in God’s presence.

How did I arrive at this conclusion?  Was it reading or referencing any unscholarly Dispensational “Left Behind” material?  Lol.  No, it was referencing Reformed and standard Evangelical sources on the analogy of Scripture that led us to this conclusion.  But let’s continue filling in the gaps to Sam’s quote:
“…if these two verses were fulfilled in AD 70 [Matt. 16:27-28], then these few other verses [Matt. 13:39-43/Dan. 12:2-3; Matt. 24:30-31—25:31-46 must also be fulfilled in AD 70, because these other verses are talking about the same eventThese other verses, of course, are referencing the resurrection of the dead [Matt. 13:39-43/Dan. 12:2-3=Matt. 24-25] and the other events associated with eschatology [the judgment “weeping and gnashing of teeth & everlasting punishment with the Devil and his angles].”
“…since these other verses contain the same language they must be referring to the same event. Upon these considerations the whole Hyper Preterist scheme is built,…”
There are of course other verses I believe Sam has in mind here – specifically now allowing Jesus’ teaching in the passages I have covered within the gospel of Matthew which form and develop Pauline or NT eschatology on the coming of the Son of Man in judgment to reward each person and raise the dead at the end of the OC age (1 Thess. 4 and 1 Cor. 15).  But as we have seen, this is not just how Full Preterism is “built,” it is how traditional, orthodox and “popular” eschatology is built.  So let’s move on interacting with what Sam has written here.
Is it scholarly to understand that if Matthew 16:27-28 is the same event as Matthew 24-25 then these passages form the foundation to Pauline and NT eschatology?
D.A Carson wrote the following concerning Matthew 24-25 in the development of NT eschatology:    
Fourth, the discourse itself is undoubtedly a source for the Thessalonian Epistles (cf. G. Henry Waterman, “The Sources of Paul’s Teaching on the 2nd Coming of Christ in 1 and 2 Thessalonians,” JETS 18 [1975]: 105–13; David Wenham, “Paul and the Synoptic Apocalypse,” France and Wenham, 2:345–75) and Revelation (cf. Gregory Kimball Beale, “The Use of Daniel in Jewish Apocalyptic Literature and in the Revelation of St. John” [Ph.D. diss., Cambridge University, 1980], pp. 260–64, and the literature cited there). If so, then we may say that Jesus himself sets the pattern for the church’s eschatology.[11]
Of the trumpet call and gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31 he wrote:
The sound of a loud trumpet (cf. Isa 27:13; 1 Cor 15:52; 1 Thess 4:16) is an eschatological figure (see on 24:30). Only with considerable difficulty can v. 31 be interpreted as referring to Christian missions: its natural linguistic relations are in 13:41. For comments on “his elect,” see on 22:14; 24:22. The “four winds” represent the four points of the compass (Ezek 37:9; Dan 8:8; 11:4): the elect are gathered from all over (cf. Mt 8:11), “from one end of the heavens to the other” (from every place under the sky), since that is how far the gospel of the kingdom will have been preached (24:14).[12]
Carson is correct to equate the eschatological coming, gathering and trumpet call of Matt. 24:30-31 with 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thess. 4:16 as the same consummative event.  He is also correct to connect the eschatological gathering of Matt. 24:30-31 as being the consummation of the Great Commission in 24:14.  But Jesus is not discussing a Great Commission that covers the globe before He would float down on a literal cloud at the end of time, but is rather addressing the world as they knew it or the Roman world.  Therefore, Paul taught under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that it had been fulfilled toward the end of their generation (Rom. 10:18; 16:25-26; Col. 1:5-6, 23).
 
We have examined what THE REFORMATION STUDY BIBLE had to say in connecting Matt. 16:27 with 13:41 and Matt. 24:31/25:31 as the same event and consummation, but let’s see how reformed theologians now connect Jesus’ teaching in the gospel of Matthew with resurrection texts in the NT as Full Preterists do:
 
“…the language of [Matt. 24:31] is parallel to passages like 13:41; 16:27; 25:31 [already covered], as well as to passages such as 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thess. 4:14-17.”[13]
Since others such as G.K. Beale have produced “parallel” charts as we have, let’s not just revisit the analogy of Scripture principle but also now address these three Scriptures the way we did with Matt. 13:39-43; 16:27-28; 24:30—25:31ff.  If A bears some relation to B and B bears the same relation to C, then A bears it to C. Or the property of equality is transitive – for if A = B and B = C, then A = C.  Therefore, things which are equal to the same thing are also equal to one another. If equals be added to equals, the wholes are equal.

  • A = (Matt. 24:27-31, 34)
  • B = (1 Thess. 4:15-17)
  • C = (1 Cor. 15)

In addressing these texts, I will also cover the arbitrary parallel hermeneutics of Partial Preterism.  This is also an issue I dealt with in our book (cf. House Divided pp. 107-110), which is a subject Sam has also not dealt with in his “exegesis” of 1 Thess. 4:15-17 on his RCM site either.
G.K. Beale wrote the following of Matthew 24-25 being the same consummative event as 1 Thessalonians 4-5:
“…4:15-17 describe generally the same end-time scenario as 5:1-10. Specifically, Paul narrates the resurrection at the end of the age and then recapitulates in chapter 5 by speaking about the timing of this event and about the judgment on unbelievers, which will happen at the same time. That both 4:15-18 and 5:1-11 explain the same events is discernible from observing that both passages actually form one continuous depiction of the same narrative in Matthew 24, as apparent from the chart…”
[“If A (Matt. 24-25) bears some relation to B (1 Thess. 4-5)”]:

1 Thessalonians Matthew
Christ returns 4:16 24:30
From heaven 4:16 24:30
Accompanied by angels 4:16 24:31
With a trumpet of God 4:16 24:31
Believers gathered to Christ 4:17 24:31, 40-41
In clouds 4:17 24:30
Time unknown 5:1-2 24:36
Coming like a thief 5:2 24:43
Unbelievers unaware of impending judgment 5:3 24:8
Judgment comes as pain upon an expectant mother 5:3 24:8
Believers not deceived 5:4-5 24:43
Believers to be watchful 5:6 24:37-39
Warning against drunkenness 5:7 24:49

“Other significant parallels include: the use of the word parousia for Christ’s coming, reference to Christ’s advent as “that day” (Mt.24:36) or “the day of the Lord” (1Thess.5:2); and a description of someone coming to “meet” another (eis apantesin autou, virgins coming out to “meet” the bridegroom in Mt 25:6; eis apantesin tou kyriou, believers “meeting” the Lord in 1Thess 4:17; see further Waterman 1975).[8]
“…(and although Matthew does not explicitly mention the idea of resurrection, he implies it in the phrase “gather his elect” in 24:31, which implies the gathering of all believers, both living and dead [Marshall 1983: 126]).”[9]
Beale further tightens the connection of 1Thessalonians 4-5 together by demonstrating that chapter 5 is also continuing the theme of the resurrection:
“Within the larger context, 5:9-10 (appointed to receive salvation…so that…we mayh live) provides the basis for being self-controlled 5:8, the main point thus far in 5:8-10. Being self controlled because of the prospect of salvation and resurrection culminates in the goal of 5:1-10 to which Paul has been aiming at throughout: “Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing. The nearest thought sparking this final exhortation to encourage is the just mentioned consummated resurrection existence of God’s people who will join fellowship with the resurrected Christ 5:10. That the phrase we may live in 5:10 alludes to the resurrection of God’s people is borne out by observing the parallels between 5:10-11 and 4:13-18, which show that Paul has returned to the earlier theme of resurrection as the basis for encouragement:

4:13-18 5:10-11
(1) “Jesus died and rose” (4:14) (1) “he died for us” (5:10)
(2) “the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive…will be caught up together with [hama syn] them. …And so [in this manner of resurrection existence] we will be with the Lord forever” (4:16-17) (2) “Whether we are awake or asleep [a metaphor for living and deceased saints] we may live together with [hama syn] him” (5:10)
(3) “Therefore encourage each other [parakaleite allelous]” (4:18) (3) “Therefore encourage one another [parakaleite allelous]” (5:11)[10]

Partial Preterism’s Arbitrary Parallel Hermeneutics in Matt. 24 & 1-2 Thess.

Keith Mathison writes of 1 Thess. 5 in relationship to Matt. 24:
“The language used in 1 Thessalonians 5 is also used in passages describing the coming of Christ for judgment in A.D.70. We have already mentioned that the term “day of the Lord” (5:2) is used in 2Thessalonians 2 in a passage that refers to A.D. 70. Another interesting parallel is found in verse 3, where the coming of this destruction is compared to “birth pangs.” The same phrase is used in Matt. 24:8 to describe the judgments leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.”[14]
Mathison here has no problem paralleling similar “language” and “phrases” in 1 Thessalonians 5 with that of the Olivet Discourse. But did you notice that Mathison dishonestly left out the comparison of Christ coming as a “thief” in (1 Thessalonians 5:2) in paralleling it with the Olivet Discourse? Why? It is Because during the time Mathison wrote this, he incorrectly took Christ coming as a thief in Matthew 24:43 as the alleged end of time (“second section” of the OD) coming, while taking Christ coming as a thief here in 1Thessalonians 5:2, as the A.D. 70 coming. To bring attention to this would be to expose his artificial division and two second comings theory of the Olivet Discourse so he avoids the comparison and hopes no one will notice it.
Gary DeMar does not divide Matt. 24-25 (and now does Mathison) so he doesn’t have a problem in harmonizing Christ coming as a thief in Matthew 24:43 with 1 Thessalonians 5:2 as the same AD 70 coming of the Lord. But let’s examine his “you” argument once again,
“While [the Jews of the first century living in Jerusalem] are saying, “Peace and safety!’ then destruction will come upon them suddenly like birth pangs upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape” (5:3; cf. Matthew 24:15-25). The Thessalonians had been warned of this coming judgment: “But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief” (5:4). Paul had told the Thessalonians that certain indicators were available to them that would prepare them for the “day of the Lord.”[15]
Let’s look at some other examples in developing parallels from Mathison and DeMar between Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 24 with Pauline eschatology in 1-2 Thessalonians:
“Some of these parallels are:
a. a coming of our Lord (2Thess.2:1; cf. Matt.24:27, 30),
b. a gathering together to Him (2Thess. 2:1; cf. Mattt.24:31),
c. apostasy (2Thess. 2:3; cf. Matt. 24:5, 10-12),
d. the mystery of lawlessness (2Thess. 2:7; Matt. 24:12),
e. satanic signs and wonders (2Thess. 2:9-10; cf. Matt. 24:24),
f. a deluding influence on unbelievers (2Thess. 2:11; cf. Matt. 24:5, 24).”[16]
Obviously Mathison has been influenced by DeMar or sources such as Waterman that Beale and Kenneth Gentry have appealed to in 1-2 Thessalonians,
1) 2Thess. 2:1 = Mt. 24:31
2) 2Thess. 2:1-2 = Mt. 24:27,30; Lk.21:27
3) 2Thess. 2:3 = Mt. 24:12; Mk. 13:14
4) 2Thess. 2:4 = Mt. 24:25
5) 2Thess. 2:7 = Mt. 24:12, 15
6) 2Thess. 2:8-12 = Mt. 24:24; Mk. 13:22
7) 2Thess. 2:13 = Mk. 13:27; Lk. 21:8
8) 2Thee. 2:15 = Mk. 13:23,31.”[17]
Interesting enough, Sam has now changed his view on 2 Peter 3 (as he continues his “make it up as he goes” response to FPism) and yet Gary DeMar and Joel McDurmon use parallels between Matthew 24 and 2 Peter 3 to establish that 2 Peter 3 was fulfilled in AD 70!
Gary DeMar or Joel McDurmon and Full Preterism have no problems seeing these parallels:

  • Matthew 24:9-30 = 1 Peter 1:6-7
  • Matthew 25:31-46 = 1 Peter 4:4-7, 17/2 Peter 2:4, 9/2 Peter 3
  • Matthew 24:47; 25:19-23, 46 = 1 Peter 5:1, 4/2 Pet. 3
  • Luke 17:20-21/21:27-31 = 1 Peter 1:6-9/2 Peter 1:11/2 Peter 3:10-13
  • Matthew 24:35 = 2 Peter 3:10-13[18]

Gary DeMar is also on record as saying that John’s version of Matthew 24-25 is found in the book of Revelation.  I will address these parallels once we cover more of Sam’s argument on what exactly this “rewarding” is in Matthew 16:27.  Sam wants to “jump” to Revelation 5 and yet most futurists and Full Preterists go to Revelation 20:5-15 or 22:10-12.
So the issue that Sam has been dishonest with here is that clearly Full Preterism is using the analogy of Scripture principle of interpretation in developing “similar language,” “identical language” or “terms” “parallels” etc…, of passages that arise from the “popular Christian” reformed tradition of exegesis – NOT the novel and “popular”“Left Behind” “exegesis”!  But let’s further expose Sam on this alleged parallel (pun intended) approach between who is really building their system with “Left Behind” eschatology motifs.

Sam Frost and “Left Behind” Eschatology

Frost seeks to discredit the Full Preterist view when we use the analogy of Scripture principle of interpretation and point out the “similar language” “identical language” “parallels” etc…, by saying this is what the unscholarly Dispensational pre-tribulation rapture “Left Behind” approach does.  And yet obviously I have been appealing to Reformed theologians or other scholars in which they would consider as reputable. A desperate tactic indeed for Frost to use.
But we must go farther in exposing Sam on this false affiliation between Full Preterists and “Left Behind” theology when it comes to the analogy of Scripture or developing parallels etc…  It is actually Sam Frost and the Partial Preterist system which has a great deal of similarities with “Left Behind” when it comes to denying paralleling Matthew 16:27/24:30—25:31 with 1 Thessalonians 4.  Since both the Partial Preterism and “Left Behind” pre-tribulation rapture folks embrace TWO COMINGS of Christ in the NT (one in AD 70 and one at the end of time / one at the secret “rapture” seven years before the Second Coming), the above parallels destroys both of  their systems and thus they both come together in agreement in hopes of shaking these similarities and parallels away because it does not support their two comings theory.[19]
Sam concludes his article with these words,
Always be ready.  Keep your wicks trimmed, and oil in your lamps – lest he come and remove his candle.
Frost must be rusty or a novice on his two coming Partial Preterist Postmillennial view.  There is NO imminent expectation of the Second Coming for us today per this system!  Perhaps Talbot-Sam is getting his eschatology mixed up with the “popular” Left Behind views?  The “signs” (so to speak) to take place before this coming can take place (when it is imagined) would include:
1.  The nations of the globe need to be Christianized and have no more wars before He returns.
2.  Men need to be living up to 900 years old again before He returns.
3.  Evidence of lions reverting to herbivores – eating straw with the ox needs to take place before He can return.
4.  Evidence of children being able to play with poisonous snakes and not getting hurt needs to be present in the creation before He can return again.
Indeed the science fiction and extreme literal hermeneutic that Frost imposes upon the OT and NT shares many things in common with “Left Behind” folks.  Per Postmillennialism this progressive/manifestation of fulfillment in the glorification of the creation is going to take thousands or possibly millions of years to take place before Christ’s “final” coming takes place.  Why should Sam be “always ready” or his exhortation to us be something to consider?  Per Sam’s eschatology should he be more concerned with progressive lion taming and or genetic research to make men live longer as parts of “the gospel” he espouses?  Not only is there no real imminent coming in Matt. 24-25 for us today within Postmillennialism (Sam’s exhortation), the one text he is appealing to here is the one DeMar (his publisher and conference speaker) says he is “certain” took place in AD 70 and is identical to the one found in Mt. 16:27.  Go figure!
Now back to Beale and his chart.  Frost and other disciples of Dr. Talbot felt as if something was solved with Beale now flirting with some Partial Preterist [from R.T. France] concepts and trying to grapple with Christ promising to return in the clear time reference of “this generation.”  While in the futurist paradigm he understands this to be a “thorny problem” for him and no doubt the creedal church which has not been able to solve this within the box they have created:
“The clearest reference to Jesus as the Son of Man from Daniel 7:13 come in the third category (which he identifies as “those that refer to Jesus’ future coming in glory”), where there are quotations of Dan. 7:13 (Matt. 24:30, Mark 13:26, Luke 21:27).  However, it is likely better to see most of these third-category references fulfilled not at the very end of history but rather in AD 70 at the destruction of Jerusalem, in which the Son of Man’s coming would be understood as an invisible coming in judgment, using the Roman armies as his agent.  The reference in Matt. 25:31 to “the Son of Man” who will “come in His glory” and “sit on His glorious throne” is not a quotation of but rather an allusion to Dan. 7:13-14, which clearly is applied to the very end of the age at Christ’s final comingIf this view is correct, it may be that the AD 70 coming of Christ in judgment as portrayed by the Synoptics is a typological foreshadowing of his final coming in judgment.  However, the traditional view that the coming of the Son of Man in the Synoptic eschatological discourse refers to Christ’s final coming certainly is plausible.  This issue is a thorny one that still deserves much more study.”[14]
Of course this becomes even more of a “thorny problem” after noting how other futurists such as Gary DeMar are “certain” that the coming of the Son of Man in Matt. 25:31 is not referring to the end of time but is also Christ’s invisible coming in AD 70!
Although not a Full Preterist, it would appear that Colin Brown sees Beale’s “thorny problem” as well in that if Matthew 24:27-31 was fulfilled in Jesus’ “this generation” and Paul is teaching the same event in 1 Thessalonians 4-5, perhaps 1 Thessalonians 4:16 should be interpreted with symbolic apocalyptic  language (events that take place within history not at the end of it) as is the case in Matthew 24.
“But if these events were expected within the first generation of Christians (and “generation” is the most probable translation of genea), either Jesus or the evangelists were mistaken…” or “…there is an alternative interpretation of the passage which points out that insufficient attention has been paid to the prophetic language of the passage as a whole.
The imagery of cosmic phenomena is used in the OT to describe this-worldly events and, in particular, historical acts of judgment. The following passages are significant, not least because of their affinities with the present context: Isa. 13:10 (predicting doom on Babylon); Isa. 34:4 (referring to “all the nations”, but especially to Edom); Ezek. 32:7 (concerning Egypt); Amos 8:9 (the Northern Kingdom of Israel); Joel 2:10 (Judah). The cosmic imagery draws attention to the divine dimension of the event in which the judgment of God is enacted. The use of Joel 2:28-32 in Acts 2:15-21 provides an instance of the way in which such prophetic cosmic imagery is applied to historical events in the present (cf. also Lk. 10:18; Jn. 12:31; 1 Thess. 4:16; 2 Pet. 3:10ff.; Rev. 6:12-17; 18:1). Other OT passages relevant to the interpretation of the present context are Isa. 19:1; 27:13; Dn. 7:13; Deut. 30:4; Zech. 2:6; 12:10-14; Mal. 3:1. In view of this, Mk. 13:24-30 may be interpreted as a Son of man will be vindicated. Such prophecy of judgment on Israel in which a judgment took place with the destruction of Jerusalem, the desecration of the  Temple and the scattering of Israel – all of which happened within the  lifetime of “this generation.” “…Such an interpretation fits the preceding discourse and the introductory remarks of the disciples (Mk. 13:1ff. par.).”[11].
This is the position I take in our book.  Therefore, to conclude Carson and Beale’s position of Matthew 24:30-31/1 Thessalonians 4:15-17:

  • Matthew 24:30 is the final Second Coming event but it also took place invisibly in AD 70.
  • Matthew 24:31 depicts the resurrection of the dead because the gathering of the elect at the end of the age points back to Matthew 13:39-43 and Daniel’s resurrection in Daniel 12:2-3.
  • The Second Coming and resurrection described by Jesus as the gathering of all the elect at the end of the age in Matthew 13:39-43/Daniel 12:2-3 and Matthew 24:30-31 is Paul’s source of teaching and the same Second Coming event describe by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:15—5:10-11 in which all the dead (living and dead) will be raised together in the kingdom and will thus be together forever with the Lord.

Beale obviously can’t take both positions and remain a futurist.  He can’t say that Matthew 24:30-31 is the “final coming in judgment” and is addressing the “resurrection” being the same event as depicted by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:15—5:11 and yet also hold that Matthew 24:30 took place in AD 70.  It seems to me that Beale seems content (as Gary DeMar is) to have others such as Full Preterists do the “more study” to solve their “thorny problem” while they keep their creedal jobs and financial supporters (see Sam’s comment in House Divided, 228).
“And …B (1 Thess. 4-5) bears the same relation to C (1 Cor. 15)…” or “B=C”:
All agree that B (1 Thess. 4:15-17) bears the same relation to C (1 Cor. 15) or “B=C” and is referring to the second coming and resurrection events:
Those asleep will be raised                            1 Thess. 4:13-14 = 1 Cor. 15:12-18
The living will be “caught up” “changed”   1 Thess. 4:15-17 = 1 Cor. 15:51-52
At the sound of a “trumpet”                          1 Thess. 4:16 = 1 Cor. 15:52
At Christ’s coming (Greek parousia)            1 Thess. 4:15 = 1 Cor. 15:23
“Encourage” “Stand firm”                            1 Thess. 4:18 = 1 Cor. 15:58
Same contemporary audience “we”              1 Thess. 4:15-17 = 1 Cor. 15:51-52
 
“Then A (Matt. 24) bears it to C (1 Cor. 15)” or “A=C”:
 
Christ comes (Greek parousia)                      Matt. 24:27 = 1 Cor. 15:23
To “gather” or “change” His people             Matt. 24:31 = 1 Cor. 15:52
With a “trumpet”                                                 Matt. 24:31 = 1 Cor. 15:52
To bring “the end” (Greek telos)                   Matt. 24:3, 14 = 1 Cor. 15:24
Deliver up & fulfill “kingdom” promises    Luke 21:30-32 = 1 Cor. 15:24
The fulfillment of all OT prophecy                Luke 21:22 = 1 Cor. 15:54-55
Stones of temple & “the Law” destroyed    Matt. 24:1, 15 = 1 Cor. 15:55-56
Same contemporary audience “you” “we”  Matt. 24:2…, 34 = 1 Cor. 15:51-52
PREMISE #1:  The parousia/coming of Christ in Matthew 24 took place in AD 70 (according to Partial Preterists and Biblical Preterists)
PREMISE #2:  The parousia/coming of Christ in Matthew 24 is the same coming of Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4-5 and 1 Corinthians 15 (according to traditional Amillennialists and Biblical Preterists)
The parousia/coming of Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4-5 and 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 took place in AD 70.
Concluding Part 1:
Sam Frost’s attempts to discredit how Full Preterism is “built” using “parallels” “similar” or “identical language” etc…, has completely backfired on him.  I have appealed to the “Popular Christian” Reformed views [even DeMar Sam’s new publisher] and my sources for the most part in this article have not been “Left Behind” poor scholarship.  Full Preterism is “built” the same way the classic Reformed Amillennial and Partial Preterist systems are “built” up when it comes to using the analogy of Scripture and the use of the analogy of Scripture, parallels, etc…  And the facts are that it is Frost who has more in common with the “Left Behind” folks in:  1) denying the parallels between Matt. 24 and 1 Thess. 4 because they both share a faulty two coming theory system in the NT, 2) create some extreme science fiction nonsense/theology based upon a hyper-literal interpretation of certain OT and NT texts, and 3) teach an imminent Second Coming or “rapture” of Christ which is not really imminent.
Sam’s position is so embarrassing and practically nonexistent when it comes to the analogy of Scripture in letting Jesus interpret Himself in Matthew’s gospel on Matt. 16:27-28=13:30-43= 24:30—25:31ff. or in letting Paul interpret Jesus’ teaching in Matt. 16:27-28=Matt. 24-25=1 Thess. 4-5=1 Cor. 15, that he simply couldn’t even mention let alone address these texts or challenges when it comes to giving a proper exegesis of Matt. 16;27-28.  I will be covering more passages that Sam cannot deal with in how Jesus’ teaching in Matt. 16:27-28 is develop in the rest of the NT.



[1] Sam Frost, Matthew 16:27-28, http://thereignofchrist.com/matthew-1627-28/
[2] Michael J. Sullivan, Edward Hassertt, David Green, Samuel Frost, House Divided Bridging the Gap in Reformed Eschatology A Preterist Response to When Shall These Things Be?, (Ramona, CA:  Vision Publishin, 2009) 95-98.
[3] Michael J. Sullivan, An Exegesis of Matthew 16:27-28, http://www.treeoflifeministries.info/index.php?view=article&catid=35%3Apreterist-eschatology-all-prophecy-fulfilled-by-ad-70&id=56%3Aan-exegesis-of-matthew-1627-28&option=com_content&Itemid=75
[4] Sam Frost, Introduction to Matthew 16:27-28, http://www.restorationgj.com/id50.htm Follow links at bottom of page for the rest of his exegesis – which for the most part is very good.  Note how confident and sure Sam was a Full Preterist as you read this article and compare it to how evasive and unsure he is of Matthew 16:27-28’s meaning as a “hard hearted” (his term) Partial Preterist.
[5] R.C. Sproul General Editor, THE REFORMATION STUDY BIBLE (Philipsburg, NJ:  Ligonier Ministries, 2005), 1384. Bold emphasis mine.
[6] Carson, D. A. (1984). Matthew. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, Volume 8: Matthew, Mark, Luke (F. E. Gaebelein, Ed.) (327). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House. Bold emphasis mine.
[7] Sam Frost, Daniel 12:2, http://thereignofchrist.com/daniel-122/
[8] Morris, L. (1992). The Gospel according to Matthew. The Pillar New Testament Commentary (357). Grand Rapids, MI; Leicester, England: W.B. Eerdmans; Inter-Varsity Press.
[9] The New King James Version. 1982 (Mt 25:31–46). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
[10] Gary DeMar, Last Days MADNESS Obsession of the Modern Church (Powder Springs, GA:  American Vision, 1999) 200.  Bold and underlined emphasis mine.
[11] Carson, D. A. (1984). Matthew. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, Volume 8: Matthew, Mark, Luke (F. E. Gaebelein, Ed.) (489). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.  Emphasis mine.
[12] Carson, Ibid., 506.  Emphasis mine.
[13] THE REFORMATION STUDY BIBLE, Ibid., 1401
[14] Keith Mathison, Postmillennialism An Eschatology of Hope, (Phillipsburg, NJ: P&R Publishing, 1999), 226. Bold emphasis mine.
[15] Gary DeMar, LAST DAYS MADNESS Obsession of the Modern Church, (Atlanta, GA: American Vision, Inc., 1994), 327.
[16] Mathison, Ibid., Postmillenialism, 230.
[17] DeMar, Ibid., 325.

[18] A Full Preterist Response To Joel McDurmon’s Article “The Passing Away of Heaven and Earth in Revelation 20:11 AND 20:1” Part 1 – 2 Peter 3, https://fullpreterism.com/a-full-preterist-response-to-partial-preterist-joel-mcdurmons-article-the-passing-away-of-heaven-and-earth-in-revelation-2011-and-201/

 

[19] Wayne House, Differences Between 1 Thessalonians 4 and Matthew 24http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/differences-between-1-thessalonians-4-and-matthew-24. Thomas Ice, Differences Between The Rapture And The Second Coming, http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/differences-between-rapture-and-second-coming

 

The Living Body Show 11/19/12 – Revelation 20:8-15 & Challenge To Debate Sam Frost or Gary DeMar at the RCM Conference

Does the orthodox view of Partial Preterism in interpreting Matthew 16:27-28; 24:30–25:31-46 help interpret Revelation 20:5-15?  How does the classic orthodox Amillennial view interpret Revelation 1-19, 21-22 in light of Revelation 20:5-15?  How does the classic Amillennial view interpret Matt. 16:27 and 24:30–25:31-46 in light of Revelation 20:5-15?  Where does Full Preterism fall within these two orthodox views?  Should Full Preterism be literally condemned to hell for developing “parallels” and “identical/similar language ” which both of these orthodox schools develop?!?

The Contradictions Among Dr. Talbot's Disciples and the "Scholarly Consensus" of Daniel 12:1-13/Matthew 13:39-43

No one can deny that Full Preterism is the organic development (“Reformed and always reforming”) of the reformed orthodox church as it pertains to the time and nature of fulfillment for the judgment and resurrection of Dan. 12:1-4, 7, 13/Matt. 13:39-43 to take place.  These texts would be fulfilled at the end of the “last days” or “end of the age” period:
1) Classic Amillenialism – The resurrection of Daniel 12:2-3 IS the resurrection of Matthew 13:39-43/24:31—25:31ff.; John 5:28-29; Acts 24:15; 1 Corinthians 15; Revelation 20:5-15 and takes place at Christ’s ONE “the parousia” at the end of the “last days” or “end of the age” period.
2) Postmillennial Partial Preterism – The resurrection of Daniel 12:2-3 took place at the end of the NT’s “last days” period – at the end of the OC age at Christ’s “the parousia.” At which time…:
a. “John in Revelation picks up where Daniel leaves off” (James Jordan on Dan. 12:2, 13/Revelation 20) and Daniel’s soul was raised out from among the dead ones of Abraham’s Bosom/Hades and stood in God’s presence having inherited “eternal life.”
b. This was a covenantal resurrection for OC Israel and the NC Church in AD 70.
c. This was a corporate resurrection for the Church which took place in AD 70.
* Not only this, but PP have actually ripped off (stolen) some FP arguments from various texts to arrive at this – without giving FPism the credit – lol.
Talbot-Sam doesn’t want to say the resurrection of Daniel 12:2-3 was fulfilled in AD 70 because the consensus of the scholars teaches this is a physical resurrection which will take place at the end of “the last days” or “end of the age” period. All the while Talbot-Sam denies the overwhelming consensus among the scholars that the resurrection of Daniel 12:2-3 is to take place at the end of the age — THAT HE [Talbot-Sam] says was the OC age in AD 70 Matt. 13:39-43! Way to avoid that key passage in your little article on Daniel 12:2 Sam.
Talbot-Gentry is on the other side of the coin that Talbot-Sam is on. He accepts the resurrection of Daniel 12:2-3 took place spiritually in AD 70, but apparently didn’t want to suffer the condemnation of Gary North on this text and “break from the historic faith of the church” and the scholarly consensus that Matt. 13:39-43 is allegedly dealing with “the end of history” and not the end of the OC age in AD 70.
Talbot-McDurmon comes along and wants to be more consistent than Talbot-Sam and Talbot-Gentry and correctly claims that Dan. 12:2-3 and Matt. 13:39-43 are addressing the same event and were fulfilled at the end of the OC age in AD 70 (and is even willing to surrender the resurrection of 1 Cor. 15 to the FP).  But after conceding these points, he becomes delusional (along with other disciples of Dr. Talbot) and wants to act and pretend as if he has won the debate against Full Preterism.  Amazing irony!
Since the almighty ivory tower great “Dr.” Talbot of Whitefield Seminary has been or is the professor of these three men, we must ask:  WHEN will the great “Doctor” ever walk down and bless us all with his presence and fix these contradictory views his students are promoting on Dan. 12:2-3/Matt. 13:39-43 as they pertain to the “scholarly consensus” of the Church? Don’t hold your breath – Lol.

David Green Responds to Talbot-Jason on the WCF Q&A 85

Talbot-Jason has posted a superb example of the “full preterist presuppositions” that have increasingly emerged from within the church in history.
The Westminster Confession of Faith:
Q. 85. Death being the wages of sin, why are not the righteous delivered from death, seeing all their sins are forgiven in Christ?
A. The righteous shall be delivered from death itself at the last day, and even in death are delivered from the sting and curse of it; so that, although they die, yet it is out of God’s love, to free them perfectly from sin and misery, and to make them capable of further communion with Christ in glory, which they then enter upon.

My response:            

Note on the one hand:  We must wait for the end of human history (which the Confession calls “the last day”) before we can be “delivered from death.”
Yet on the other hand:  When saints die today, they are delivered from “the sting” and “curse” of death, and are perfectly freed from sin and misery in glory.
There are at least two problems here:           🙂
ONE:  If after believers die they are immediately delivered from the sting and curse of death, and are perfectly freed from sin and misery, then how are they in need of “deliverance” from death?  Hello.    🙂   “And the saints around the throne prayed, Lord please save us from this sting-less, curse-less,perfect freedom from sin and misery in glory’” (Revelation 23:13, The ‘Consistent’ Futurist Version).
TWO:  1 Corinthians 15:54-55 makes it crystal clear that “the sting of death” is NOT removed UNTIL the Resurrection of the Dead:  “So WHEN this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, THEN shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Versus the WCF:
“The righteous . . in death [today] are delivered from the sting [of death].”

As one can see, there is a flat contradiction between the Westminster Confession’s full preterist presuppositions and its futurist exegesis.  The flawed eschatological exegesis of the post-apostolic church has said that the Resurrection of the Dead is yet future, while the church’s Spirit-presupposition has always, and increasingly, taught that the Resurrection of the Dead stands wholly consummated in the body of Christ today and forever.
Talbot-Jason:
Oh, we’ll receive a nasty blow alright, but Death will not hold us down for the count.
Jesus:
Whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?” (Jn. 11:26)
Talbotism’s unspoken answer:
“No.”
Talbot-Jason:
our enemy’s name is Hades
My response:
God crushed the enemy of the saints beneath the feet of the church about 2,000 years ago (Rom. 16:20; Rev. 3:9), the cardboard of Talbotism notwithstanding.
Talbot-Jason:
. . . i used to float around Florida and Tennessee with my big ole swollen head, . . . with my superior reasoning skills
My response:
Under Dr. Talbot’s tutelage, Talbot-Jason has indeed undergone a startling transformation:  He has gone from one who was puffed up wearing the badge of Full Preterism, to one who is puffed up wearing the badge of Historic Orthodoxy.
In the Talbotian error, only Jesus has attained to the fulness of the promise made to the fathers, while Jesus’ disciples in heaven (or in Hades, according to Talbot-Jason) remain in the diabolical grip of Corruption and Death, and will remain in that state of “groaning” until AD 1,000,000 (or whenever).  And yet at the same time, Jesus’ disciples in heaven have been “delivered from the sting and curse of death” and are “in perfect freedom from sin and misery” (WCF, quoted approvingly by Talbot-Jason).            🙂
And, while the saints are in heaven today, their spirits are not really separated from their physical bodies.  It only appears that way to the church.  Fortunately the church has Dr. Talbot to remove the veil of Illusion from the face of Death.  If it wasn’t for his insight, we would all think the saints in heaven today are living with Christ separate from their physical bodies.        :^)
Yes, it is hard to believe that Talbotism prides itself on its superior use of logic, and its avoidance of all theological paradox.       🙂        :^o        :^O
I would agree though that Talbotism is free of paradox.  It’s fraught with full on, universe-shattering Contradiction.

In What Sense Did Jesus Leave, Stay and Then Return In AD 70 – Brief Study of Acts 1:6-11–3:17-23 and The Anaology of Scripture

By David Green / Michael Bennett / Michael Sullivan
Talbotism or Partial Preterism would ask:
. . . Jesus left. And unless you ignore his promise to be with them until the end of the age, you would have to agree that there is a sense in which he didn’t leave. Well, it seems awfully obvious to me now that the sense in which he left was in regards to his human nature; which includes a body. He physically left them. Acts 1 clearly demonstrates that.  And there is nothing illogical about that answer.  If that isn’t the sense, then what is? . . . In what sense did he leave and in what sense did he stay. . . ?
David Green’s Comments:

My response:
The answer to Talbotism’s question is found in the answer to these seven questions:
1. “…until Christ is formed in you.” (Gal. 4:19)
The church was looking forward to when Christ would be formed in it.  But Christ was already in the church.  “In what sense” then was He later “formed” in the church?
2. “in whom the whole building, being fitted together is growing into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit” (Eph. 2:21,22).

The church was looking forward to when it would become God’s “holy temple” / dwelling.”  But the church was already God’s temple/dwelling.  “In what sense” then did the church later become God’s temple/dwelling.
3. “So that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith….”
(Eph. 3:17)

Paul’s desire was that God would strengthen believers with might by Christ’s Spirit in the inner man “so that Christ would dwell in [their] hearts through faith.”  But Christ was already dwelling in believers’ hearts through faith.  “In what sense” then did Christ later dwell in believers’ hearts through faith?
4. “to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Col. 1:27).

The church’s glorious hope (her expectation) was “Christ in you.”  But Christ was already in the church.  “In what sense” then did Christ later dwell in the church?
5. “And so we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Morning Star arises
in your hearts
.” (II Peter 1:19)

Believers were looking forward to “the day” when “the Morning Star” would arise in their hearts.  But the Morning Star (Jesus) was already dwelling in their hearts.  “In what sense” then did Jesus later arise in believers’ hearts?
6. “Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with Me” (Rev. 3:20;  This promise was written to believers.).

Jesus told believers that if any one of them opened the door, He would “come in to him, and will dine with him.”  But Jesus was already dwelling in believers and dining with them.  “In what sense” then did Jesus later dwell in believers and dine with them?
7. “…If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him.” (Jn. 14:23)

Only spirit-indwelt believers love Jesus.  Yet Jesus said that a time would come when the Father and the Son would make their abode in Spirit-indwelt believers.  Yet the Son was already dwelling in Spirit-indwelt believers.  “In what sense” then did Jesus and the Father later make Their abode in Spirit-indwelt believers?
The rhetorical question of the two men in white apparel: “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?
Their question implied that it was pointless for the disciples to stand there gazing up into the sky as Jesus went up.
But, why/how was it pointless for Jesus’ disciples to stand there gazing up into the sky as He went up?

Was it because Jesus wasn’t going to come back for many years?  Was it because the disciples had a lot of work to do and didn’t have time to stand around?
Neither of these reasons were the explanation the two men gave for their rhetorical question.  They did not say, “Why stand ye gazing up into heaven?  Jesus isn’t going to come back for a long, long time.”  Nor did they say, Why stand ye gazing up into heaven?  You have a lot of work to do and limited time in which to do it.”
No, according to the two men, it was pointless to stand there gazing into the sky as Jesus went up, because Jesus was going to “come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven” (Acts 1:11).
In the futurist framework, that argument, of course, makes no sense.  There was no point in looking into the sky as Jesus went up because He was going to come back physically?  That’s a non sequitur.
In the preterist framework though, the words of the two men do make sense.
There was no point in looking for Jesus to come back down out of the sky, because He was to come in the manner in which they had “seen” him going into the sky:
Hidden from ordinary sight, in divine glory (Acts. 1:9; 1 Tim. 3:16).
Michael Bennett comments:
Milton Terry (1898)
“Acts i, 11, is often cited to show that Christ’s coming must needs be spectacular, in like manner as ye beheld him going into the heaven.” But (1) in the only other three places where, what manner, occurs, it points to a general concept rather than the particular form of its actuality. Thus, in Acts vii, 28, it is not sonic particular manner in which Moses killed the Egyptian that is notable, but rather the certain fact of it. In 2 Tim. iii, 8, it is likewise the fact of strenuous opposition rather than the special manner in which Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses. And in Matt. xxiii, 37, and Luke xiii, 34, it is the general thought of protection rather than the visible manner of a mother bird that is intended. Again (2), if Jesus did not come in that generation, and immediately after the great tribulation that attended the fall of Jerusalem, his words in Matt. xvi, 27, 28, xxiv, 29, and parallel passages are in the highest degree misleading. (3) To make the one statement of the angel in Acts i, 11, override all the sayings of Jesus on the same subject and control their meaning is a very one-sided method of biblical interpretation. But all the angel’s words necessarily mean is that as Jesus has ascended into heaven so he will come from heaven And this main thought agrees with the language of Jesus and the prophets.”
“Whatever the real nature of the parousia, as contemplated in this prophetic discourse, our Lord unmistakably associates it with the destruction of the temple and city, which he represents as the signal termination of the pre-Messianic age. The coming on clouds, the darkening of the heavens, the collapse of elements, are, as we have shown above, familiar forms of apocalyptic language, appropriated from the Hebrew prophets.
“To make the one statement of the angel in Acts 1:11, override all the sayings of Jesus on the same subject and control their meaning is a very one-sided method of biblical interpretation. But all the angel’s words necessarily mean is that as Jesus has ascended into heaven so he will come from heaven. And this main thought agrees with the language of Jesus and the prophets.”[1]
If “in like manner” means “in exactly the same way” then:
• How does Jesus come from heaven riding on a white horse (Rev. 19:11)?
• How does He come “with ten thousand of His saints” (Jude 14)?
• How does He come “as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west” (Matt. 24:27)?
• How does He come “with a loud command [shout] . . . and with the trumpet call of God” (1 Thess. 4:16)?
• How does He come “in blazing fire with his powerful angels” (2 Thess. 1:7)?
We have seen various legitimate reasons / arguments and statements why Acts 1 is not about a future coming it is in regards to the AD70 coming of Christ a “2nd” time (Heb. 9:26-28).  Here is another more point – consider the CONTEXT regarding the kingdom. and the dates that the Father sets that no one knows. Where have we seen that and are there time texts etc. attached to those. After all that is the context of Acts 1. That is the question that is being answered by the “two men dressed in white.”
Immediate Context of Acts 1:9-11
“3After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. 6So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” 10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11″Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
The context of Acts 1 is:

  • The coming of the kingdom.
  • You (disciple’s – contemporary audience) do not know the time or dates.
  • The disciple’s preaching the gospel to all the world.

Needless to say – the kingdom was “near” and that is a time text and Matthew 24 cannot be divided into 2 comings because Luke 17 mixes the event so not knowing the day / hour (Matt. 24:36) or times / dates (Acts 1:6ff.; 1 Thess. 5:1ff.) etc. was a reference to AD 70.   Also note that both are about the gospel reaching the world etc.
(Matthew 10:7) “As you go, preach this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven is near.
(Matthew 24:14, 34, 36)  “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 36″No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Michael Sullivan’s Comments:
1)  How Christ went and would return
In our book House Divided, pages 101-102 I wrote:
“Mathison errs when he says that Jesus was going to come back in the same way that He “departed.” The Scriptures say that Jesus would come in the same way He had entered the sky. He entered the sky hidden from literal eye sight in the cloud of God’s glory.
Here is the order of events:
1. As they looked, He was taken up (Acts 1:9).
2. A cloud received Him from their eyes (Acts 1:9).
These first two events could very well have happened simultaneously.  As Mathison himself admits, the verse could be translated, “He was lifted up; that is, a cloud received Him out of their sight.”
It is a very real possibility that Jesus was instantly hidden in the cloud at the moment His feet left the earth.
3. Then the disciples saw Him going into the sky. That is, they looked intently into the sky as He was ascending in the cloud (Acts 1:10-11).
. . . The question of the two men was rhetorical, and it meant, “There is no use in standing here longing for Jesus to return to you and to be as He was in the days of His flesh (Heb. 5:7). He will come, but He will come in the manner you saw Him enter heaven —hidden from physical eyes in the cloud of the Father’s glory.”
2)  Christ’s return will follow the completion of the Great Commission
On pages 98-104 I noted how Keith Mathison in one of his books claims:
Acts 1:9-11 has – “…no reference to time connected with the prediction of the return of Christ.” (WSTTB?, 185, emphasis mine)
But in another book he writes,
The time frame is hinted at in the preceding context.  The disciples are given a commission to be Christ’s witneses “in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth” (Acts 1:8).  The implication is that Christ’s visible return will follow the completion of the mission to the remotest part of the earth.” (Postmillennialism, 117, bold emphasis mine).
God saved 3,000 believers (new exodus motif. 3,000 died at giving of law 3,000 live from NC life in the Spirit – the law produces death the Spirit life etc…) from “every nation under heaven” in (Acts 2:5, 41) and sent them back out into their “every nation under heaven” and or “world” (Greek ge) to proclaim the gospel.  By AD 70 “every nation under heaven” and this “world” (Greek ge) Jesus is referring to had been preached to (Rom. 1:18, Cols. 5-6, 23).  Therefore, the “implication” of Partial Preterism and that of Mathison, is that Christ returned in AD 70 when the “time frame” of “the disciples commission” was fulfilled.  Selah.
3)  The “restoration of the kingdom” (Acts 1:6) .
is also inseparably connected to the coming of the Lord in (v. 11).  And yet, the “restoration” of the kingdom Jesus identified with John the Baptist/Elijah — preaching repentance because of an imminent wrath and judgment associated with the  the great and dreadful day of the Lord (Matt. 3:7-12; Matt. 11:10-14; Matt. 17:10-13; Isaiah 11; Mal. 3-4).  Oddly another coming of the Lord Partial Preterism claims took place in AD 70.  ecause Peter was preaching to his contemporary audience telling them to act (per Gentry)!
4)  The “Great and dreadful day of the Lord” in (Acts 2:20ff.)
Partial Preterism also teaches that the contemporary repentance preached to Peter’s generation in Acts 2 along with the “great and dreadful day of the Lord” was fulfilled by AD 70 (Acts 2:20–40).   One of Gentry’s reasons being that Peter was preaching to his contemporary audience telling them to act! Let’s now pick back up the “restoration of the kingdom” or the “restoration of all things” — contemporary exhortation to act in repentance in connection with the Lord’s return in Acts 3 and Hebrews 9:24–10:37.
5)  Picking back up the “restoration of the kingdom” or “until the time comes for God to restore everything” “times of refreshing” (Acts 3:17-23) etc…
These NT terms reached there fullness and mature state when the Second Coming of Lord took place in AD 70 (Luke 21:27-32/Acts 3:17-23/Heb. 9:24–26-28–10:1YLT, 25, 37).  So far according Partial Preterism the coming of the Lord in Acts 1:11 and Acts 2:20-21 took place in AD 70.
But what about in chapter 3 — is there anything in this chapter that would indicate a different coming of the Lord spread out over thousands or millions of years?  Per the logic and reasoning of Gentry in Acts 2, the same Jewish contemporary audience is being exhorted to repent  and if they didn’t  this coming of the Lord would result either in their sins being forgiven (those that would repent), and for  those who refused to repent – they would be “completely cut off from among his people” (Acts 3:17-23). These are those who would not listen to the greater prophet than Moses (Christ) predicted by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15-19.  And what was the message of “this prophet” (Jesus)?  Was it not that His return in their generation would mark the fulfillment of all that has been written in the OT – time of redemption for those that trusted and repented and the time of punishment for those who would not (Luke 21:22-32)?!? 
Luke 21:20-32 & Acts 3:17-23

  • Same coming of the Lord.
  • Same salvation/redemption for believers and punishment for unbelievers – Jews “his people.”
  • Same fulfillment of all the OT prophets and scriptures.

Since the OT prophets predicted the “restoration of the kingdom” or “the restoration of all things,” when Christ would come from heaven (Acts 1:6-11/3:17-23) and Partial Preterist’s admit that the OC “heaven and earth” of (Matt. 5:17-18) passed away in AD 70 — therefore, the coming of Christ and the restoration of all things pertaining to God’s kingdom found in the law and prophets were fulfilled and reached there mature state by D 70.
And verse 24 wraps up the sermon informing us that all which has gone before (all the OT’s Prophets testimony) “foretold these days” – that is the “last days” and coming of the Lord in salvation or judgment that was preached in the previous chapter in ( Acts 2:17-21, 38-40; see also 1 Peter 1:4-12).  Many Partial Preterists believe the “last days” were from AD 30 – AD 70.  This being the case, the Lord comes from heaven at the end of “the last days” of the OC age at which time He came from heaven to save the remnant and “judge His people (Israel).”  And these same Partial Preterists we are addressing in this article would affirm that the salvation of Israel in Romans 11 was also fulfilled by AD 70.  Since it is grammatically impossible to separate the time given for Christ to come from heaven to reward with forgiveness of sins and or judge these first century Jews “his people” in (Acts 3:19-23) in their “last days” or “these days,” we must ask these Partial Preterists if there is going to be another Old Covenant “Israel” “his people” in the future when Christ returns but yet again?
The bottom line exegetical facts are from Acts 1:6–3:23 we have the:

  • Same contemporary exhortation/audience directed at the Jews to repent for killing their Messiah.
  • Same coming of the Lord in salvation or judgment that we saw in chapter 2.
  • Same “restoration” motif and coming of the Lord we saw in Acts 1:6-11!
  • Same “last days” or “these days” time period (AD 30 – AD 70) for these OT predictions to take place.

Hebrews 9:24-28–10:37 “Time of reformation” “Appear a second time apart from sin.”
Partial Preterist Mathison cites (Heb. 9:28) as an “indefinite reference” of the second coming since the verse allegedly does not contain a time text (WSTTB?, p. 202). But R.C. Sproul in refuting Kistemaker says that this passage includes both His first and second coming occurring by AD. 70 and that a “considerable time” is very much an issue with this text,
This passage refers to both the first and second appearances of Christ. The context for his first appearance is “the end of the ages.” Yet his followers are still waiting for him to appear a second time.” “…If Christ’s first coming at “the end of the ages” has already occurred and if considerable time has elapsed since that coming, then it is impossible to identify “the end of the ages” with the end of time. If the second appearing of Christ here refers to his judgment on Jerusalem, it would still fit in the framework of “the end of the ages” that is not the end of all time.[2]
But probably the best and most straightforward statement comes once again from Partial Preterist Milton S. Terry,
The ‘end of the age’ means the close of the epoch or age—that is, the Jewish age or dispensation which was drawing nigh, as our Lord frequently intimated. All those passages that speak of ‘the end,’ ‘the end of the age,’ or ‘the ends of the ages,’ refer to the same consummation, and always as nigh at hand.” “…the writer regarded the incarnation of Christ as taking place near the end of the aeon, or dispensational period. To suppose that he meant that it was close upon the end of the world, or the destruction of the material globe, would be to make him write false history as well as bad grammar. It would not be true in fact; for the world has already lasted longer since the incarnation than the whole duration of the Mosaic economy, from the exodus to the destruction of the temple. It is futile, therefore, to say that the ‘end of the age’ may mean a lengthened period, extending from the incarnation to our times, and even far beyond them. That would be an aeon, and not the close of an aeon. The aeon of which our Lord was speaking was about to close in a great catastrophe; and a catastrophe is not a protracted process, but a definitive and culminating act.[3]
This text is where we get the term “the Second coming” of Jesus , and we have partial preterists such as Sproul and Terry conceding to a common sense Full Preterist interpretation of the passage as possibly or being fulfilled at the end of the OC age in AD 70.  Mathison just avoids the issues but in another work does say of Hebrews 9:1-28,
“In 9:1-10, the author continues his argument by explaining the temporary nature of the Old Testament tabernacle and its ceremonies. The tabernacle and its sacrifices were never intended by God to be permanent. They were to continue until the “time of reformation” (v.10).12 Hebrews 9:11-28 describes what happened when this time of reformation arrived.” (Postmillennialism, ibid., p.132).
He then goes on to quote Philip E. Hughes whom agrees with us that the imagery here is that of the High Priest going into the Most Holy Place tabernacle/temple on the Day of Atonement to make sacrifice and intercede for the covenant people before coming back out “a second time” in declaring that the sacrifice had been accepted and applying or sprinkling the blood etc… The problem for Mathison, is that the time texts within the broader and immediate context of this chapter demand “the time of reformation” process or the eschatological “not yet,” to arrive in its fullness within an imminent AD 70 time frame and not millennia. In his debate with Full Preterism, he does not want to draw attention to this fact let alone allow the imminent contextual flow surrounding the passage to be an exegetical factor (8:13, 9:6-10, 10:1, 13/17, 25, 37) which Sproul says is an exegetical issue that needs addressing. We couldn’t agree more! Once again we find Mathison’s response more than “shallow,” it is nonexistent!
Just in passing, on Hebrews 9:8, — I would agree with commentators who would identify the “first” compartment being the Holy Place (not the entire tabernacle) – symbolizing the Old Covenant age still having a “legal standing,” “have status” or “functioning” and the Most Holy Place being representative of the New Covenant age in-breaking upon the old.  Full and complete face to face access (of the age changing process between AD 30 -AD 70) is given behind the veil within the Most Holy Place at the blowing of the last trumpet when the Second Coming of Christ takes place in AD 70 (Rev. 11:15-19; 21:16–22:3-4, 6-7, 10-12, 20; 1 Cor. 13:12/2 Cor. 3:7–5:10/6:16).
The context of Hebrews 9-10 is the same in which we see developed in Acts 1:6–2:20ff.–3:17-23:

  • A exhortation given to a contemporary audience regarding an imminent judgment/salvation (forgiveness of sin).
  • Concerning the “time of reformation” connected to…
  • The coming of the Lord – a second time.

Partial Preterism (in this case as seen in the hateful Talbot cult obsessed with bearing false witness against Full Preterism – almost on a daily basis as documented on David Greens pretcosmos yahoo list) continues in its hardness in fighting against the analogy of Scripture when trying to reconciling all of the component parts of Acts 1-3 with passages they say were fulfilled by AD 70.  The vast majority of Christianity and creedal statements understands the coming of Christ in Acts 1:11 as the same event as depicted in Matthew 24-25/1 Thess. 4-5/Rev. 1:7 etc… They also correctly identify the Great Commission in Acts 1:8 with that of Matthew 24:14; Mark 16:15-18/Matthew 28:18-20.  If the church is still in the “last days” (depending on which Mathison or Partial Preterist book you read now days) and the commission of the disciples has not been reached throughout the “world” / “every nation under heaven” or to “all nations,” then Mathison and reformed Partial Preterists should be open to speaking in tongues and reworking their theology on the charismata (Acts 1-2; Mark 13:10; 16:15-18).  Selah.
Conclusion:
When we compare Acts 1:6-11 with the rest of the NT addressing its various motifs —

  • How Christ went (hidden in the glory cloud) was being formed in the Church and returned “in like manner” (hidden in glory and “in” or “within” the Church).
  • When the “restoration of the kingdom” would come connected to its day/hour and times and seasons…
  • The Great Commission being preached throughout the “world” (Greek ge) being when…
  • Christ would appear a “second time” at the end of the Old Covenant age (even quoting Partial Preterist theologians themselves on Acts 1:9-11/Heb. 9:26-28/Matt. 24-25/Rev. 1:7) we can readily see…
  • That the Second Coming of Christ was fulfilled by AD 70.

Partial Preterists have to continue to kick against the goads seeking the “validation of men” in order to please their creedal supporters and hide from these “simple” truths of Scripture.  We affirm that the creeds are correct in that Acts 1:6-11/Acts 3:20-21/Matt. 24:30-31; 25:31ff. are one event and describe the judgment and resurrection of the “quick and the dead.”  But according to Luke in the book of Acts and Jesus, these were event’s that were “about to” take place in Jesus’ and Luke’s first century “this generation” (Acts 17:31YLT/WEY; Acts 24:15YLT/WEY; Matt. 24:30-34).  And yet this article/response is to Talbot-Jason and Talbot-Frost whom are now quoting reformed creeds and confessions which actually connects Acts 1:11 with Matthew 24:30; 2 Peter 3 and Revelation 22:20 (which they claim happened in AD 70) as the SAME EVENT!  Partial Preterism continues to lead their readers into Full Preterism no matter what they do – selah.  [facebook][tweet][stumble][pinterest][follow id=”Username” ]


[1] Milton Terry, Biblical Apocalyptics: A Study of the Most Notable Revelations of God and of Christ; Baker Book House; pp. 246-247 see note #34 too)
[2] R.C. Sproul, THE LAST DAYS ACCORDING TO JESUS, (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1998), 106.
[3] Milton S. Terry, Biblical HERMENEUTICS A Treatise on the Interpretation of the Old and New Testaments, (Zondervan Publishing House, 1986), 441-442.

 

The Truth About Isaiah 65:17-25

17  For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

God’s creation and maturing of His new heavens and new earth arrived with the imminent return of Christ to end the “last days” of the old covenant age in AD 70 – according to (2 Peter 3 – being a “reminder” of 1 Peter 1:4-12; 4:5-7, 17 and Revelation 21-22: 6-7, 10-12, 20).  This is when the curse of the Adamic and Mosaic “the law,” “the sin,” and “the death,” creation was “about to be” completely removed for the Church (Romans 5-8). 
Some Postmillennial Partial Preterists such as Kenneth Gentry and Keith Mathison teach that Christ did in fact come in AD 70 which caused the “first” heavens and earth to pass away with God replacing it with His Church as the New Creation.  But eisegetically, they also try and maintain (at the same time) that the text is teaching a passing away of the first heavens and earth which involves a 2000 plus years and counting to the earth’s literal destruction/renewal.  This is supposed to be the “physical phase” of the passing of the Genesis 1-2 creation associated with the Second (third) Coming of Jesus.[1]  Gentry oddly interprets John’s use of Isaiah 65-66 as fulfilled in AD 70 in Revelation 21:1, but because 2 Peter 3 mentions “the beginning” of Genesis 1:1-2, he gives Isaiah 65-66 an “expanded” literal interpretation unlike some of his other partial preterist colleagues which place this as fulfilled in AD 70.[2]  His reasoning is more than odd, since the “first” heavens and earth of Revelation 21-22 is no less Genesis 1-3 material than 2 Peter 3 is.  The NT writers do not develop that there are thousands or millions of years associated with a “not yet”/ “ongoing” “literal phase” of fulfillment – in developing the restoration of creation motif of the OT prophets!             
18  But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.  19  And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
According to the parallelism here, Jerusalem is equivalent to the “new heavens and new earth” or at the very least is inseparably connected with it in its prophetic spiritual substance.  So why are the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the “heavens” and “earth” rejoicing?  Because Jacob has been redeemed and glorified within Her (cf. Isa. 44:23).  Again, this redemption and glorification of the creation (Romans 8:18-23) was “about to” take place in AD 70.  There is no more weeping, because God’s people have been forgiven of their sins.  For all Partial Preterists and futurists, my interpretation is somehow “Gnostic.”  However, this is the NT’s eschatological goal of redemption, and we must reject their “literal phases” propped up with their invented “not yet” and “ongoing fulfillments” which the NT authors know nothing of.            
20  There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
The “infant” and “old man” filling out their long days yet “die” is symbolic of eternal life (John 11:25-26).  But the “sinner” being “accursed” is symbolic of everlasting condemnation (cf. Dan. 12:2-3; Matt. 13:40-43)[3] and those without the City of Revelation 21-22 who die the second death in rejection of Christ (the Tree of Life).  Again, I see no literalization of “ongoing” or “not yet” teachings coming from Jesus in the Gospels, Daniel or John in the book of Revelation in addressing this Genesis 1-3 material. 
21  And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.  22  They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
This is the same concept as can be found in the joy of verses 18-19 of the inhabitants of “Jerusalem.”  Is “Jerusalem” there literal or the NC Jerusalem “from above” (Gals. 4)?  Under the OC everything was temporal and subject to being taken over by the times of the Gentiles.  Under the NC, this building, planting, and fruit are likewise equivalent to the spiritual “Jerusalem” and spiritual “new heavens and new earth” previously discussed. 
Through the preaching of the gospel by the apostles and the power of the transforming power of the Holy Spirit, God was forming “dwelling places” (the side rooms of the Temple structure) for the Church in which He would be in His people and they in Him (John 14:2-3, 23; Gal. 4:19).  The building and dwelling places or houses that are eternally secure for the child of God, have to do with the building up of the NC Temple/the Church.  No man can plunder the riches of this heavenly Temple/Most Holy Place of God (Rev. 21:16).  God through Moses exercised dominion over Egypt and spoiled their gold which was used to beautify the Tabernacle. God did the same through David and Solomon to build the Temple in which even the floor was even made of gold.  However, one greater than Solomon (Jesus) has come to redeem His Temple/People with His precious blood which is more valuable than gold (Psalm 49:6-9; 1 Peter 1:18-19, 23-25).  It is the wealth of God given faith which adorns this Temple and comes through Her gates (Isaiah 60; 1 Peter 1:7-9).  He is the eternal Precious Corner Stone and through faith in Him, we become precious living stones and the jewels which adorn the New Creation (1 Peter 2; Revelation 21:18ff.).    
The “planting of vineyards” and eating of its “fruit” has reference to the planting of God’s Church (the NC Israel of God) whereby the apostles and the Holy Spirit labored and watered it continually so that it never ceases to bear fruit to God (Isaiah 27:2-6; 35, 44; Matthew 21:41-43; John 15; 1 Cor. 3; Gal. 5).  They enjoy long the works of their hands, because after they die they do not go to a waiting place, but “their works/fruit do follow them” (cf. Rev. 14:13).
Some Postmillennial Partial Preterists suggest that a part of the “ongoing” and “literal phase” of the restoration of the creation motif of the prophets, involves men beginning to live longer than they had a hundred years ago and that this is “proof” that we will live to be 950 years old one day – “as the days of a tree are the days of my people.”  The Church/New Man in union with Christ (The Tree of Life) has already lived for a thousand years in and unto the NC eternal age (Revelation 20-22).[4]  As John Gill suggests, “The Targum, Septuagint, and Arabic versions, render it, “as the days of the tree of life;” “…The allusion may be to the tree of life in paradise, and may be expressive of the long life of good men in this state; and as the tree of life was typical of Christ, who is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon him, it may denote that eternal life his people have by him.” (emphasis added).
The average long life of man is still 70-80 years just as Moses said (Psalm 90:10).  There is no exegetical or scientific evidence that would suggest that man is going to live to be a literal 900-1000 years old and that this is an “ongoing” or “not yet” fulfillment for the Church to enjoy as a fulfillment for the “healing of the nations.”       
23  They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Paul and the first century churches temporary eschatological “labour” (pains, persecutions in preaching the gospel, and groaning under “the death” of Adamic sin), were not in vain (1 Cor. 15:58; Romans 5-8; Gal. 4:19; 2 Cor. 3-5:5).  Their temporary labour pain would result in a nation being brought forth in one day – Zion/Jerusalem (Isa.  66:8). The “seed” and “offspring” are Christian converts – the true seed of the Abrahamic covenant (Isa. 53:10–Isa. 56:4ff./Acts 8; Gal. 3:29).              
24  And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
The prayers of the saints for vindication and redemption/rewards of the New Creation were soon answered (Luke 17-18; Rev. 6:10-11; 20-22:10-12).   
25  The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
Because many simply assume that the physics of the planet changed along with the dietary habits of lions and wolves after Adam sinned, it is also falsely assumed that all this needs to be restored as it once was as an “ongoing fulfillment.”  Therefore, many Evangelicals and Postmillennial Partial Preterists believe this “physical effect” of the fall will be restored (along with literal 900 year old ages).  I beg to differ. 
Older commentators understood these peaceful animal passages such as (Isaiah 11:6-9) to be a description of the peace the gospel produces among men – Jew and Gentile.  They had it right!  But because of their futurism and faulty presuppositions in Genesis, they also were forced into literalizing these passage of literal animals with “ongoing,” “physical phases,” when God’s creation would be finally restored.  The passage has nothing to do with “lion tamers” or lions becoming vegetarians as an ongoing reversal of the physical effects of the fall.    
Beloved, do not be deceived, Postmillennial Partial Preterism is not Biblical Preterism.  It is carnal futurism both in the timing and nature of fulfillment – plain and simple.  The “first” heavens and earth have passed away, the new is here, the healing of the nations is taking place, and it won’t be realized in an “not yet” of 900 year old naked men (fig leaves were a “physical effect” of Adam’s sin – right?) running around taming vegetarian lions and watching their children playing with poisonous snakes!            


[1] James Jordan, THROUGH NEW EYES Developing a Biblical View of the World, Brentwood, TN., 1988), 270-271.  Kenneth Gentry (multi-authored book), FOUR VIEWS OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION, Grand Rapids, MI:  Zondervan, 1998), 89.  Peter J. Leithart, THE PROMISE OF HIS APPEARING AN EXPOSITION OF  SECOND PETER, (Moscow, ID:  Canon Press, 2004).    
[2] Kenneth Gentry, HE SHALL HAVE DOMINION A POSTMILLENNIAL ESCHATOLOGY, (Draper, VA: 2009 THIRD EDITION:  REVISED & EXPANDED), 305. 
[3] Gentry, DOMINION, Ibid., 538.  James Jordan, THE HANDWRITING ON THE WALL A Commentary on the Book of Daniel, (Powder Springs, GA:  American Vision 2007) 618-628.  Leithart, PROMISE, Ibid., 95.  
[4] See my chapter and response to Keith Mathison in, House Divided Bridging the Gap in Reformed Eschatology a Preterist Response to When Shall These Things Be?” (Ramona, CA:  Vision Publishing, 2009), 122-123.